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horse

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9dashline said:
Folks, we might still be on track with Deagel by December
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I think Trump maybe done.

Trump was going to win a re-election campaign but then covid hit, and they screwed it up. So he lost.

This tariff thing is a major screw up. Now there appears there is no way out.

If Trump backs down, lowers the China tariffs for a deal or whatever, then his base will revolt against him.

Now what happens if the tariffs stay and the Chinese tariffs remain?

Trump is fucked under this scenario. Either way he could be royally fucked. And this was all his doing, his idea, then surround himself with yes-men and yes-woman.

I mean, what an idiot. Who expected this?

Not me that is for sure. It has only been a few months since his election, and screwed him over this quickly.

:rolleyes:
 
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henrik

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dingyibvs said:
When China and Vietnam industrialized, the first focus was on education, which created an increasingly better educated workforce which allowed them to progressively move up the value chain.

The US inexplicably is abolishing the department of education and making villifying institutes of higher education while attempting to reshore industries like garments. It's almost as if the US wants to become the China of 30 years ago rather than competing with China in the next 30 years.
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The thing is that in the US the department of education is not that important. It is the local school boards that are responsible for all the local grade schools and high schools. Each state is responsible for its state universities. The department of education mostly just distributes loans and scholarships to students, but this can be done using other departments.
 
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zscstephen

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Trump doesn't expect much retaliation from other countries, because they can't afford to give up the US market and can't afford to have him keep causing unmanageable trouble, so big business and allies will have to go along with his therapy.

But it could be out of his control if everyone reacts quickly, it's gonna turn into an easy game he doesn't want to play.
 
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Biscuits

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tamsen_ikard said:
Not if China can export to others and they export back to US. What China sells is not euv machine that only sells few copies in 3 years. The mass produced stuff china makes simply cannot be controlled like that. They will get to america from China through other routes.
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The idea is to shoot the prices into the sky, not completely stop exports. Same idea as US is doing with Iran. Iran still gets plenty of US origin crap, they just end up paying more for it which can disrupt them (especially if they're stubborn like Iran and refuse to widely go to China only).

Finding an overseas actor that's willing to attempt to evade sanctions means an extra surcharge because they won't take the risk for free.
 
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W20

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Iracundus said:
It's because there has always been an anti-intellectual streak in American society, and this is seen elsewhere in Anglo societies such as Australia, because being intelligent and intellectual is seen as being elitist and snobbish, or even anti-democratic (since the idea that a person knows more and therefore their opinion has more weight means there is inequality). This reaction then is easily changed to a desire to take these snobs down a peg, in other words "tall poppy syndrome". The Republican party is particularly all in on this as this leaves the masses ignorant, while the masses distrust education because it tends to turn people "liberal" (as in they get a broader global view and often don't agree with the small town parochial view of their families).

So now we have a society in which a significant segment believe higher education is not only unhelpful but actively harmful in brainwashing the children to be liberals. It is of course a recipe for long term disaster and ceding of technological leadership to others.

This attitude is not only seen in poor white people but also in Latinos and blacks in the United States. Getting educated is seen as being a betrayal of one's roots, turning "white" or collaborating with the white power structure, and is discouraged or the person is ostracized by their peers and family. It is all part of the so-called "culture of poverty", which basically refers to the culture or beliefs that are self-sabotaging and lead to perpetuation of inter-generational poverty. The left in the 70's attacked this idea as being racist and victim blaming, but I think it has merit and goes beyond race and affects any group such as the stereotypical Southern white "rednecks".
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Exactly, superbly explained.

(I love the essay genre in its minimalist version)

I would dare to add: redneck-'rockers' see or perceive that liberal-'mods' use opinions as marks of distinction, like colored feathers, like tribal markings. We must not forget the identity-based function of opinions: one holds opinions in a certain way to be accepted by a group.

Thanks to this fostered dynamic, we have reached the current situation: in America, there are Two opposing cultures ...

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... and One single Power in Washington DC "inside the Beltway" formed by the alliance between a supremacist oligarchy, intelligence agencies, an army of palace scribes and imperial eunuchs, and the media that fuel the political Show for enterteinment and confusion of the plebs
 
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