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taxiya

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The US was preparing to "partner" with China.

The US had prepared a grand banquet with the EU (junior brother) to "harvest" China economically. Too bad that Xi cleaned up corruption and the western loving CPC faction.

Thats why he is so hated by the West now. Because he spoiled their grand harvest and now these countries have to do real work (real, not fictional financial engineering) to stay competitive
You are talking about this so called G2.
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It was an idea by Obama/Clinton (2009-2017). It was rejected (more precisely not picked up) by China under Hu Jintao. It started by lots of noises in the US think-tank circle (testing the water, informally asking China) around 2005. Picked up by Obama, that is the concept got much more publicity. But after a deafening silence from China, Hillary Clinton declared that there is no G2 in 2011.

Xi did lots of good things, but it is very wrong to personalize Chinese leadership. Chinese leadership is a collective consciousness that lasts over many decades with a strategy of many decades or even a century (shorter than this is not strategy in Chinese mind). So I am talking about seeing the current leadership as essentially one person (figuratively) from Deng Xiaoping in the early 1980s to a decade after Xi Jingping.

Besides, there are corrupted officials in CPC, the number could be high. But there is no faction. Don't fall into the western MSM's narrative that there is pro-west factions inside CPC. It is an inertial thinking of the west because factionalism is the essence of western political system, but not China.
 
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NiuBiDaRen

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Japan is pushing to join the five eyes.

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But Japan is really torn apart between its increasing dependency on Chinese market and its fear of the accelerating rise of China.

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It appears to hedge its bet, but it's more of a nation adrift and without control of its destiny.
I would agree on that. South Korea and North Korea both have strategic direction. Let's not even talk about China.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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I think both the left and the right in Europe are moving toward populism.
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These same bull sh..t countries that are screaming and raging about China's alleged Uyghur genocide ought to have those Uyghur separatists and some terrorists to go and flock into their countries; after all they seem to care more about Chinese Muslims than middle eastern ones.
 

daifo

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These same bull sh..t countries that are screaming and raging about China's alleged Uyghur genocide ought to have those Uyghur separatists and some terrorists to go and flock into their countries; after all they seem to care more about Chinese Muslims than middle eastern ones.

That is how a democracy works, a country of 5 million should dictate to a country of 1.4 billion
 

voyager1

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You are talking about this so called G2.
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It was an idea by Obama/Clinton (2009-2017). It was rejected (more precisely not picked up) by China under Hu Jintao. It started by lots of noises in the US think-tank circle (testing the water, informally asking China) around 2005. Picked up by Obama, that is the concept got much more publicity. But after a deafening silence from China, Hillary Clinton declared that there is no G2 in 2011.

Xi did lots of good things, but it is very wrong to personalize Chinese leadership. Chinese leadership is a collective consciousness that lasts over many decades with a strategy of many decades or even a century (shorter than this is not strategy in Chinese mind). So I am talking about seeing the current leadership as essentially one person (figuratively) from Deng Xiaoping in the early 1980s to a decade after Xi Jingping.

Besides, there are corrupted officials in CPC, the number could be high. But there is no faction. Don't fall into the western MSM's narrative that there is pro-west factions inside CPC. It is an inertial thinking of the west because factionalism is the essence of western political system, but not China.
Interesting. Could you expand on the idea of G2, I vaguely remember that initiative but I didn't give it too much thought then

Why would China disagree with that?
 

KYli

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Interesting. Could you expand on the idea of G2, I vaguely remember that initiative but I didn't give it too much thought then

Why would China disagree with that?
It is a trap. If China agreed with such proposal, then China would signal it wanted to be a hegemonic world power which goes against the peaceful rise and multipolar world narrative. Russia, EU and many SEA countries would view China negatively and suspiciously and the G2 would become a rally cry from the US to mobilize its allies to contain China as a new world power.
 

BoraTas

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It is a trap. If China agreed with such proposal, then China would signal it wanted to be a hegemonic world power which goes against the peaceful rise and multipolar world narrative. Russia, EU and many SEA countries would view China negatively and suspiciously and the G2 would become a rally cry from the US to mobilize its allies to contain China as a new world power.
The G2 was utterly pointless anyway. The G7 and G20 exist for multilateralism. What could the G2 provide that a US-China meeting can't provide?
 

NiuBiDaRen

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Japan is UK in the other side of the continent geographically, therefor politically it will behave like the UK.
Yeah like Britain, Japan became a long past dead "empire" that will never rise to the top again.
At least it doesn't make human rights pronouncements like UK. Whew. Korea too. Western nations don't know about MYOB.
 
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