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dingyibvs

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What was valuable about Tik Tok was never the algorithm. It was the content and the culture the Tik Tok marketing & product team created around the experience.

I remember when Tik Tok was first rising in the US - it wasn't due to it being first. Vine was first. But Vine failed to capitalize on its first move advantage and settled for extremely low quality content from its user base. People got tired of it quickly because Vine leadership thought that 6 seconds looping videos were all anyone wanted from the platform, and had no monetization strategy so they basically lost all the quality content creators.

The same problem exists on Instagram Reels. Instagram Reels launched as competition to Vine but its product leadership was similarly short sighted. Again, they treated short film videos as a technology gimmick with a 15-seconds limit. Never took it seriously because "serious videos would be uploaded to Youtube." So again the platform was flooded with low quality, low effort videos in line with Instagram's thirst trap garbage.

Byte Dance revolutionized the scene, not through technology, but through product and marketing. They recognized the potential to create a higher quality, higher brow experience through short film videos, and brought in content creators to do so from the start. Their early marketing campaigns, driven by quirky challenges that went viral more often than not, were master pieces of social engineering. During their rise, they deliberately shaped their community in the direction they wanted through their marketing, moderation, content creator management, and the end result was an unique social experience that could not be replicated on any American platform.

That is Byte Dance's actual "secret sauce" - an expertise in social engineering that they gained from years managing the platform in China. You can ban the platform and move everyone to Instagram Reels, but you won't be able to recreate the experience without Byte Dance's content management team.

No, you're wrong, do you even use these platforms? FB used to have plenty of viral challenges as well, and these viral challenges began well before Tiktok became a thing.

I've tried YT reels for example, and the recs are just so stupid. It has a lot of my viewing history, yet scrolling it keeps giving me uninteresting content, and worst of all, repeat videos. It boggles my mind how bad it is. Instagram reels seems like it uses a very basic algorithm. Whatever I searched or viewed, that's my feed from that point on.

Tiktok does something much more special, it feeds me video categories I never even knew existed yet I would like them, and it doesn't keep feeding me the same type of video with every other scroll. Oh, and it does keep feeding me dancing girls, no matter how hard I try to not watch them. How does it know? Lol. There is definitely something to Tiktok's algorithm.
 

Randomuser

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SRI lanka and CN seem ti have made an oil related deal.. and indian media is using the "debt trap" line again.. im nor ssure, if i can call it dishonest or jist clickbait, since in description they know is like fdi, not loan..


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"Sri Lanka signs landmark $3.7 bn deal with Chinese state oil giant
Beijing (AFP) – Sri Lanka has secured its biggest-ever foreign investment after signing a deal with Chinese state-run oil giant Sinopec, officials said on Thursday."

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Does India even have any neighbours which like it at this point? Bhutan doesn't count since its a vassal state and once China can put a road from Tibet to it, I bet they will tell India to get out just like the Maldives.

Indians try to say China has no friends but it seems its more applicable to India at this point.
 
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Biscuits

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I didnt know that IDF (isr mil) also have their tiktok acct? Anyway they uploaded a video.
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China isn't and has never been explicitly anti Israel. Israel is a traitorous bozo that will sell intel on US when threatened or to the highest bidder. For Beijing, only US is the prioritised enemy.

If the enemy has a warlord that is corrupt, steals resources from the empire center, is open to double dealing all the time, it doesn't matter if he acts like an animal, he still becomes tolerated to some extent by an overseas power preparing to attack.
 

vincent

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No, you're wrong, do you even use these platforms? FB used to have plenty of viral challenges as well, and these viral challenges began well before Tiktok became a thing.

I've tried YT reels for example, and the recs are just so stupid. It has a lot of my viewing history, yet scrolling it keeps giving me uninteresting content, and worst of all, repeat videos. It boggles my mind how bad it is. Instagram reels seems like it uses a very basic algorithm. Whatever I searched or viewed, that's my feed from that point on.

Tiktok does something much more special, it feeds me video categories I never even knew existed yet I would like them, and it doesn't keep feeding me the same type of video with every other scroll. Oh, and it does keep feeding me dancing girls, no matter how hard I try to not watch them. How does it know? Lol. There is definitely something to Tiktok's algorithm.
The recommendation algorithm is only one part of the success story, the generation of metadata associated with each videos are much more important. Can’t recommend a video to users when you have no idea what the video is about. With the amount of content being generated every second, there is no economically viable way to tag the contents without leveraging very sophisticated artificial algorithms. (Other than the tags the authors attached to their own contents)

When i watch Youtube, I got the feeling Google relies on the authors’ tags and the video titles to make the recommendations.
 

Randomuser

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China isn't and has never been explicitly anti Israel. Israel is a traitorous bozo that will sell intel on US when threatened or to the highest bidder. For Beijing, only US is the prioritised enemy.

If the enemy has a warlord that is corrupt, steals resources from the empire center, is open to double dealing all the time, it doesn't matter if he acts like an animal, he still becomes tolerated to some extent by an overseas power preparing to attack.
Poor Americans. They keep whining about China getting this and that. Yet their greatest ally Israel has no problem giving away American secrets for enough shekels.

Its for this reason, China never completely jumped on the anti-israel trend. It has its uses.
 

Eventine

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No, you're wrong, do you even use these platforms? FB used to have plenty of viral challenges as well, and these viral challenges began well before Tiktok became a thing.

I've tried YT reels for example, and the recs are just so stupid. It has a lot of my viewing history, yet scrolling it keeps giving me uninteresting content, and worst of all, repeat videos. It boggles my mind how bad it is. Instagram reels seems like it uses a very basic algorithm. Whatever I searched or viewed, that's my feed from that point on.

Tiktok does something much more special, it feeds me video categories I never even knew existed yet I would like them, and it doesn't keep feeding me the same type of video with every other scroll. Oh, and it does keep feeding me dancing girls, no matter how hard I try to not watch them. How does it know? Lol. There is definitely something to Tiktok's algorithm.
The recommendation algorithm isn’t complicated; it’s just based on what you spend more time watching and a general/past recommendation category once in a while, or if you start swiping quickly (indicating loss of interest). Tik Tok just has better content across all categories.

The clustering/tagging of videos is a well solved problem within the ML community and is typically based on a combination of collaborative filtering and video classification, for which there are well established models that work well and are widely used.

Content platforms compete on quality of content far more than recommendation algorithms. If 99% of the videos on your platform are garbage then no amount of recommendation will save it. Tik Tok’s secret is creating a platform built from the ground up on higher quality content; only then is it able to make useful recommendations. This is a concept Instagram and Reels never understood which is why both platforms are just avenues for thirsty men & their providers.
 
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coolgod

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Does India even have any neighbours which like it at this point? Bhutan doesn't count since its a vassal state and once China can put a road from Tibet to it, I bet they will tell India to get out just like the Maldives.

Indians try to say China has no friends but it seems its more applicable to India at this point.
Indians have no friends as its neighbours. Indians always lament about how they have "shitty" third world neighbours which they quarrel with, that's the reason why India is underdeveloped. They ask why they aren't as lucky as China in having good neighbours, as if it would make India magically transform into a first world country. They never reflect on why that region is underdeveloped and ask if maybe they might be the root of the problem.
 
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