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manqiangrexue
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We should start fucking with them. Imagine the panic that would set in if Xi said, "Well, Chinese New Year is almost here so we should be done with the Christmas appetizers and finally start to unveil some big military progress in the next few days."
I have never seen an accidental self ass-fucking of nearly this magnitude in my entire life as the US banning TikTok. If you opened a small country-sized all homosexual male prison where everybody was fed nothing but chicken breast, boiled vegetables and Viagra, and forced to work out twice a day for 2 hour sessions before going into 2 person rooms to sleep every night with daily rotating roommates, the amount of ass-fucking in that prison would be a mere rounding error compared to what American politicians have done to themselves here.
Bros and gals hear me out,
What if this was a Trumpo san secret move against the American techno oligarch class,
Maga and Progressives Americans working class are being radicalised into wanting to Make America Great Again at home.
No war with China, Russia or Iran(for now) this should free up a couple hundreds of billions to invest into existing America states and the newly acquired states also formerly known as Canada and Greenland.
I know it sounds farfetche'd
What if this was a Trumpo san secret move against the American techno oligarch class,
Maga and Progressives Americans working class are being radicalised into wanting to Make America Great Again at home.
No war with China, Russia or Iran(for now) this should free up a couple hundreds of billions to invest into existing America states and the newly acquired states also formerly known as Canada and Greenland.
I know it sounds farfetche'd
Not exactly how I would feel about it.
This stuff I have forgotten, because it is historical fact. You know, ancient history.
The West, aka white people, have always been fascinated by China.
Every time they are kicked out of China, for whatever reasons, they always come back.
Back like in the Qing dynasty, there were massacres of white people by the Chinese, forget now, and the white people left China, but they came back.
Then when the communist won the revolution the white people ran too, but they came back.
Then when the Cultural Revolution happened, white people were running again they did not want to be arrested for being a spy because they were white that means they had to be a spy, the white people left, but they came back.
Then when the 6.4 incident happened, everyone who was white basically left the country, but they came back.
Now, did this phenomenon happen again? You betcha, it was the covid lockdowns and all the white people left, but they came back.
That is the historical pattern. China opens up and closes down for white people, they come and then run away then come back again.
In view of that historical cyclical context, that apps are now another vehicle to assess China for white people, it does not seem like much of a jump, in principle does not seem much different from the past. Those scope and scale is larger now with the apps. We see how it goes.
This is my view bro, the oligarchy class should thank and support Trump cause he will be their savior as his administration will be used as a release valve to dissipate the public anger. They need to temper their greed and he is clever enough to use an oligarch to fight an oligarch, these is how revolution succeed, when the oligarchy class are divided.
I did not really expect what I suggested in 2021 is actually happening right now.
If China got banned, it will also cause a PR win for China.
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But you're not rebutting my points; you are just restating your personal preferences. Even wannabe drug dealer knows that LOL If we do, we're screwed. Right now, we're moving forward faster than the whole developed world combined based on Chinese science. This was much more true of the past...
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If China got banned, it will also cause a PR win for China.
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I guess we need to agree to disagree on this matter. Too early to call; we're still pointing out things instead of in deadlock. If you think China is already doing enough then fine. As for me, I think China still needs much more improvement. I think it's enough in terms of specifically...
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Well if we want to go there:
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I wonder what kinda of list they are putting Chinese people on or s**tposters like some of us here are on -_- in the 1st amendment freedom land of America? The first page on the list of people to be sent to concentration camps when WWIII breaks out.
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One thing I got wrong was I didn't know tiktok as well back then as now and I called it the circus part of panem et circenses, but in fact for a lot of people tiktok is both panem and circenses simultaneously.
You never screw around with panem et circenses, that's how rebellions happen. It's the bare minimum you have to supply to the people if you want to govern.
Ancient people already figured this out long ago and wrote it down for their descent's benefits.
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If i observe the presented narrative correctly in the western info sphere its not really a Chinese soft power or cultural victory(imho) and its a situation where the material condition of the Chinese people(skewed by the upper middle income class demographic on xhs) are having its effect on the American zeitgeist. Its an economic victory first. And the soft power and cultural victory will follow because people like to follow and learn from success stories.
Well China would never openly admit if it did something morally questionable.
Much of what America does is shooting itself in the foot.
They brainwashed people at home which severely reduced the local innovation. It became cheap to import refugees so their education went down the drain.
As for China having lost its historical vassals like Japan and Philippines to US, are you seriously trying to blame PRC for it????? Those were lost since like the late 1800s... Open a history book or something.
At least modern China is the entity that gives the best possible chance whether by violence or covert means to recover the colonies.
No, because China still has the larger economy and industry base. It has more resources to draw on and can just smother US actions with sheer funding, as it's been doing.
China's policy as well. And here it's just about funding, who can throw more at the wall more efficiently.
You think China is scared of US nukes or stand off weapons either?
Okay but China just blocked the sale.
China doesn't have a real non interference policy lmao
Why else do you think China's enemies are all being pressured to the brink while China itself is untouched? Non interference policy is just the rehash of the millenia old "restoring the emperor" argument.
If China overthrows a country or starts a war, it is not interference, it is "restoring the natural state" to the region, while if US does the same, it is "evil interference". If China uses sanctions to influence its opponents ability to fight back, it's "self defense in accordance with UN laws" while if US does it, it's "bullying". When our rebel army attacks another rebel army, they're "exterminating the rebels against the throne", when another rebel army does the same, they have "created an uprising without cause against heaven".
In reality there is no good guys, there are just 2 superstates fighting for hegemony with China broadly being the more efficient one.
But China is making moves on Japan and Korea? Not to mention doing something in south America.
Covert influence takes time, that's true for the Americans and true for us too. You're not expecting efforts started from zero in like 2015 to make Japan submit willingly to Chinese rule again without firing a shot just a measely 10 years later no?
China already owns Taiwan, it's US trying to disrupt the status quo. And China is arming up to defend Taiwan, even US' anemic military intelligence knows this.
Japan and Korea is not our brothers and sisters. They used to be part of China's empire and became traitors, there is zero remorse if we have to kill tons of them just to return them again.
China trashes the US everywhere in the world to the point where having an alliance with US in 2025 is 100% predictive of recession or worse.
"whole world" meaning the twitter world of jealous subcontinentals along with Americans (probably mostly bots even, looking at how many real Americans are on tiktok and xhs). That's not the world China is trying to appeal to. These people are not invited to the new world China is building.
Those places are already US colonies, China acquiring Japan or Russia acquiring Ukraine is way more impactful because it's them eliminating and subsuming an enemy. US acquiring Canada is like China acquiring Xinjiang or Taiwan, or Russia acquiring Kazakhstan.
With 99% certainty China has already prepped a repertoire to make US hurt as much as possible for their new territory ambitions, whether it's outright preventing it with distractions or making it very costly, idk.
manqiangrexue
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1. I said that China does not need to spend significant efforts to increase its PR in the West. This is true. China did not actively do this. If we tried, we would fail and it would be seen as a pathetic and desperate attempt to gain the approval of the young Western population. The reason we succeeded is because we did not try but the US did this to themselves.
2. As I said before, all influence and things that can be conflated with "soft power" stem from hard power. These interactions are happening to China's favor because China built such an exceptionally fabulous society. Americans marvel at the affordability and modernity of living in China because unlike them, we were able to create such a society. If China did not achieve these things, the interactions would favor the Americans who would instead experience reinforcements of their propaganda that the American way is the best way if they found our country to be backwards, vulnerable or technologically ill.
1 and 2 taken together highlight my weightlifting example (though I don't recall if I made it with you). China is disliked in nearly every aspect in the US... but not our weightifting team. They are revered in the US. Was it because they tried to improve PR and invested in outreach? No, not at all. All they did was win gold medals and break world records, and the fans came in droves. The only thing that drew them was Chinese hard power in weightlifting.
3. How useful is it? Do these people cause the US to give up competing with China? I doubt it. It's a fun victory for Chinese to enjoy and laugh at, but the fight is still hard power. America is controlled by its politicians who will always be anti-China. They are not a real democracy. Just like in Germany, when push comes to shove, the government says that it doesn't care how many people protest or disagree; it must provide military support to Ukraine against Russia. It's the same here; no matter how many young, hip, woke Americans come to realize how awesome China is, they will be sidelined in American politics and our victory can still only lay in the hard power of our military, science, and economics.
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