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SanWenYu

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After the recent events in the Middle East, I am forced to change my view about China. They will pay the ultimate price for not doing more to protect their interests in the region. There was not even much that was required of them to stabilize the situation. Now they will need to do so much more to regain what was lost, if that is even possible at this point. China can take all its fighter jets and destroyers and shove them up its ass. They are a joke. They build and build and build and do nothing with what they've built. No wonder they are surrounded with bases and more bases continue to be built around them, and they just sit there and watch. They are watchers, not doers, period!
Please remind us, when did China declare Syria as a key national interest worth lives of young Chinese soldiers?

Has Assad ever asked China for protection? Did Russia or Iran ask China for help?

Now Assad has gone, what exactly has China lost in ME?

If you could turn all the clocks back in time, how would you advise China to defend Assad?
 

tokenanalyst

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After the recent events in the Middle East, I am forced to change my view about China. They will pay the ultimate price for not doing more to protect their interests in the region. There was not even much that was required of them to stabilize the situation. Now they will need to do so much more to regain what was lost, if that is even possible at this point. China can take all it's fighter jets and destroyers and shove them up it's ass. They are a joke. They build and build and build and do nothing with what they've built. No wonder they are surrounded with bases and more bases continue to be built around them, and they just sit there and watch. They are watchers, not doers, period!
If Muslims don't help each other nobody is going to come to help them. They are more than willing to kill their fellow Muslims than to defend their brothers in Palestine. These internal division in the Muslim world had led Israel and the US to corrupt their leaders, foment extremism instead of secularism and rational thinking, that has lead to weak and corrupt countries that are more interested in selfish agendas than progress as nations. Israel has just exploited these divisions and weakness to expand.
At the end the US, Israel and the Western power have make sure that instead of strong secular Afghanistan you have the Taliban, Libya and the same with Iran to a lesser degree. That is what the Western powers wanted, corrupt leaders, weak minded people, extremism, backwards countries in the most oil rich region and Muslims given to them in a silver plate to pursue selfish agendas.

Sadly there is not much China can do, even if they wanted and more less given the situation in Asia. What China can do is to push for more trade and investment, but to help someone is easier if that person put some effort to save itself.
 

siegecrossbow

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What is Trump's complex with the F-35? He tried canceling last time around. LOL.

Anyone else find it weird that the F-35 was regarded as a terrible aircraft by pundits up to the point that Trump decided not to cancel it? Afterwards, the likes of thewarzone suddenly became its biggest fanboyz after calling it a boondoggle for the decade prior.

He wants one with two engines. Maybe he should call his good friend Xi Jinping so something can be arranged.
 

Minm

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Iran offered Assad help directly. He refused. They knew he was going down as early as October and didn't lift a finger. If Iran can't do it with actual troops on the ground, how can China do it from even further away?

At some point you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink. Nobody can save someone who has already given up.
While that's correct with regards to the fall of Assad, China also doesn't help disable US sanctions against North Korea or Iran (or Syria) like it does with Russia now. Governments of anti western countries fall because of poor economies that result from a lack of access to western markets because of sanctions and China obeying the sanctions as well. Instead of investing in countries that the US hates, China avoids them and dumps billions in Africa, which will never be repaid, and in Pakistan, which is a failed state in which terrorists keep murdering Chinese people.

Just a tiny fraction of the Pakistan investments could have been transformative for Syria. The Syrian army might have fought if they had a reconstructed country to fight for. The Baath party is even nominally socialist

China should use its investments as a foreign policy tool, not just looking for immediate commercial profits. Keeping a friendly government in power is also a positive outcome of an investment. But obviously sending soldiers would never happen
 

Bellum_Romanum

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After the recent events in the Middle East, I am forced to change my view about China. They will pay the ultimate price for not doing more to protect their interests in the region. There was not even much that was required of them to stabilize the situation. Now they will need to do so much more to regain what was lost, if that is even possible at this point. China can take all it's fighter jets and destroyers and shove them up it's ass. They are a joke. They build and build and build and do nothing with what they've built. No wonder they are surrounded with bases and more bases continue to be built around them, and they just sit there and watch. They are watchers, not doers, period!
What made you express such vitriolic and hyperbolic opinion? Can you elaborate more on what you think China could and should have done in the case of Syria? Why do you posit that it was in China's greater interest to essentially intervene in a Syrian cluster fuck when Assad himself (based on current available information) pretty much gave up despite the offered help from both Iran and Russia?

Why is it CHINA's duty, responsibility, even an obligation to HELP and SAVE the ASSAD regime when the situation was and is clearly beyond a joke/FUBAR.

As for China's breakneck speed in building up its military capabilities and procurements, the Middle-east and other non-core strategic interest (Taiwan) can't and must not take precedence over TAIWAN doing so would be a massive distraction and an invitation as well as window to PLA tactics and approach to combat that can be remedied and prepared by its nemesis in and around the SCS and East China Sea.
 

iBBz

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Please remind us, when did China declare Syria as a key national interest worth lives of young Chinese soldiers?

Has Assad ever asked China for protection? Did Russia or Iran ask China for help?

Now Assad has gone, what exactly has China lost in ME?

If you could turn all the clocks back in time, how would you advise China to defend Assad?
They lost access to a naval host in the Mediterranean sea, a land corridor through Iraq and Syria, trade route protection through the Suez canal and the Red Sea, and whoever ends up ruling Syria will be a US puppet that will block Chinese investment in the country. That one base could have cost the US billions of dollars and created a balance of power in the region.

Iran offered Assad help directly. He refused. They knew he was going down as early as October and didn't lift a finger. If Iran can't do it with actual troops on the ground, how can China do it from even further away?

At some point you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink. Nobody can save someone who has already given up.
They could have and should have overthrown him if that story was even true, which I do not believe for a millisecond. What these two have lost here is incalculable.

What made you express such vitriolic and hyperbolic opinion? Can you elaborate more on what you think China could and should have done in the case of Syria? Why do you posit that it was in China's greater interest to essentially intervene in a Syrian cluster fuck when Assad himself (based on current available information) pretty much gave up despite the offered help from both Iran and Russia?

Why is it CHINA's duty, responsibility, even an obligation to HELP and SAVE the ASSAD regime when the situation was and is clearly beyond a joke/FUBAR.

As for China's breakneck speed in building up its military capabilities and procurements, the Middle-east and other non-core strategic interest (Taiwan) can't and must not take precedence over TAIWAN doing so would be a massive distraction and an invitation as well as window to PLA tactics and approach to combat that can be remedied and prepared by its nemesis in and around the SCS and East China Sea.
I was talking about China's own interests rather than saving Assad. Assad is safe and sound. He will live a long and happy life away from all of this chaos. Regarding Taiwan, I used to think China could wait the US out, but at this point I have absolutely zero faith that China will ever recover Taiwan. They don't do anything about anything at all, even when it's simple cheap things. Even Pakistan still double deals on them with the US, allowing terrorists to blow up Chinese infrastructure inside Pakistan and China sells their J-10CEs to them. Myanmar is still getting obliterated by US backed terrorists right on China's borders. The Philippines, SK, Japan, all still host the US and are completely owned and operated by the US and China still does nothing about it.
 
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canonicalsadhu

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Well this is interesting. Turkey is on a roll lately.
Ethiopia recognized the Somalian breakaway region Somaliland which gives it access to the Red sea (important for Ethiopia since it is landlocked), and ever since then there has been tensions between the two countries. Apparently, the dispute is now resolved by Turkey - presumably, Somalia is going to bite the bullet and accept Ethiopia's move and normalize relations, because they're too weak to do anything about it. Last twist to the story is there are rumors that Trump admin will recognize Somaliland, which has implications for China.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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While that's correct with regards to the fall of Assad, China also doesn't help disable US sanctions against North Korea or Iran (or Syria) like it does with Russia now. Governments of anti western countries fall because of poor economies that result from a lack of access to western markets because of sanctions and China obeying the sanctions as well. Instead of investing in countries that the US hates, China avoids them and dumps billions in Africa, which will never be repaid, and in Pakistan, which is a failed state in which terrorists keep murdering Chinese people.

Just a tiny fraction of the Pakistan investments could have been transformative for Syria. The Syrian army might have fought if they had a reconstructed country to fight for. The Baath party is even nominally socialist

China should use its investments as a foreign policy tool, not just looking for immediate commercial profits. Keeping a friendly government in power is also a positive outcome of an investment. But obviously sending soldiers would never happen
This is a faulty logic that arrives with a faulty assumptions. If China were to invest billions in Syria under the Assad leadership what guarantees do you have that other KEY PLAYERS in the region would not move heaven and earth to ensure that CHINA's foray into their proverbial BACKYARD would not end in failure that not only bleeds China money but also potentially military commitment in an area, environment, culture that's frankly alien to China.

China a country run by GODLESS COMMIE would be forced to use military means to ensure that its investments both in monetary and political point person (ASSAD) would not fall under Turkiye led groups, Israel/U.S. funded ISIS groups, Sunni "rebel" groups not to mention the Shiite Muslims mostly funded and under the guidance of Iran.

We should not trivialize on the enormous challenge and difficulty to navigate such minefield laden country just for China to show it "cares" ergo PLAYING THE SOVIET UNION role as the counterweight to the U.S. led kill first and always strategy. China will fail in that regard because it's not in their modus operandi in both history and grand strategy.
 
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