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Unless bets are wrong like they with Hillary, Trump is coming back.

He already won the rust belt once. He can do it again. People just need to keep reminding others how Harris is actually brahmin Indian and that will put off even black voters.
You have to be careful with Polymarket, because US citizens are not allowed to bet on it, so it only reflects foreigners' and American expats' opinions. Also, you can only use cryptocurrency to bet, potentially skewing the bias further.
 

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"The U.S. Navy faces a critical shortage of submarines amid increasing global threats, particularly from rivals equipped with advanced anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) capabilities like China. The Virginia-class submarine program is $17 billion over budget, raising concerns about the Navy's ability to meet peacetime and wartime demands."

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"China is writing the world’s technology rules
It is setting standards for everything from 6G to quantum computing"
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Similarly, the Germanic tribes in France and Germany adopted Graeco-Roman culture. Roman civilisation is well known to be a continuation of the Greeks. The Franks and Goths etc lost their original barbarian roots (which was never advanced enough to call a civilisation). And the majority of the population of Spain, Italy, the balkans and even England are descendants of people who were Roman citizens (or Roman slaves) at the time of Caracalla. Western and Southern Europe can legitimately claim inheritance from the Romans. Central and Eastern Europe is more of a case of self colonisation and conquest from the west that forced adoption of western civilisation. So it's a bit sad for people like the Poles to cling to roman catholic religion, which to them is a foreign culture that they just adopted as their own because they recognised their own cultures to be inferior. Similar to Korea and Japan adopting Chinese culture I suppose
You just made the point here that's the crux of every Rome-China historical comparison. Of course a civilization that controlled as many territories and was as advanced as the Romans were going to leave a legacy. But that's not people are discussing in Rome-China debates because if we were judging the continuity of empires by their legacy then that opens a whole can of worms. As an example, Modern Indians speak English, have a parliament system of government, and at least upper class Indians are educated in the British style, can they claim to be a successor to the British Empire?

The exact point people make is that unlike Rome, China maintained enough of a cohesive internal structure to largely preserve its territorial, linguistic, and core cultural identity for millenia to this day where its one of the world's great powers. What Rome left behind in the Western Empire after its collapsed was the Roman Catholic church, ie. one institution that exercised profound religious authority perhaps but had no head of state, no bureacracy managing territory outside of Rome, and projected little military or economic power compared to even its neighboring city states like Florence nevermind the other European kingdoms. You had barbarian tribes that claimed to be successors to Rome, but whose territories themselves were just a loose patchwork of fiefdoms and duchies that only acted cohesively during times of military campaigns and outside of that often fought eachother. They followed the heed of the Catholic Church, but inherited none of the wisdom or governing efficiency of the Romans needed to administer large territories and promote trade or urbanization. It was wisdom they didn't even have access to until the Arabs reintroduced it to them.

And that's Western Europe, the most ostensible direct offshoot of Rome was Byzantium and we all know how their story ended in 1453.
 

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Lula has been a disappointment lately
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Brazil has decided against joining China’s Belt and Road Initiative, instead seeking alternative ways to collaborate with Chinese investors, a top government adviser said on Monday.
Celso Amorim, special presidential adviser for international affairs, told Brazilian newspaper O Globo that Brazil wants to “take the relationship with China to a new level, without having to sign an accession contract”.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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You just made the point here that's the crux of every Rome-China historical comparison. Of course a civilization that controlled as many territories and was as advanced as the Romans were going to leave a legacy. But that's not people are discussing in Rome-China debates because if we were judging the continuity of empires by their legacy then that opens a whole can of worms. As an example, Modern Indians speak English, have a parliament system of government, and at least upper class Indians are educated in the British style, can they claim to be a successor to the British Empire?

The exact point people make is that unlike Rome, China maintained enough of a cohesive internal structure to largely preserve its territorial, linguistic, and core cultural identity for millenia to this day where its one of the world's great powers. What Rome left behind in the Western Empire after its collapsed was the Roman Catholic church, ie. one institution that exercised profound religious authority perhaps but had no head of state, no bureacracy managing territory outside of Rome, and projected little military or economic power compared to even its neighboring city states like Florence nevermind the other European kingdoms. You had barbarian tribes that claimed to be successors to Rome, but whose territories themselves were just a loose patchwork of fiefdoms and duchies that only acted cohesively during times of military campaigns and outside of that often fought eachother. They followed the heed of the Catholic Church, but inherited none of the wisdom or governing efficiency of the Romans needed to administer large territories and promote trade or urbanization. It was wisdom they didn't even have access to until the Arabs reintroduced it to them.

And that's Western Europe, the most ostensible direct offshoot of Rome was Byzantium and we all know how their story ended in 1453.
I would say that the British Empire, and its legacy of slavery, colonialism and a highly stratified society, indeed lives on in India. The original UK on the other hand has been taken over by the neolib/neocon empire.
 

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"The U.S. Navy faces a critical shortage of submarines amid increasing global threats, particularly from rivals equipped with advanced anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) capabilities like China. The Virginia-class submarine program is $17 billion over budget, raising concerns about the Navy's ability to meet peacetime and wartime demands."

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All things are relative, 1.5x Virginia a year only become critically low next to how many China's building.
And how many China's building is totally very little of course, because everyone knows Chinese submarines are so loud they can be detected from Hawaii, since they haven't detected any new Chinese SSNs from Hawaii, and China never showed any subs being launched, the only conclusion is China's not building any SSNs.
 

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"The U.S. Navy faces a critical shortage of submarines amid increasing global threats, particularly from rivals equipped with advanced anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) capabilities like China. The Virginia-class submarine program is $17 billion over budget, raising concerns about the Navy's ability to meet peacetime and wartime demands."

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Interference is another word for China got their first. The US and West want China to follow their standards so they can ban China from it. Only in the West that sounds reasonable. The US and the West can just not follow Chinese standards. Who's going to win when it's the West weaponizing everything in their control? Another edge China has... it's cheaper than the West and most like is or will be better than theirs. So who is the world going to choose? That's what's alarming for the West. The West is all about expensive low quality crap. What do they think they have that trumps it? Because it's from white people...?

I just saw an article on US versus China on AI? China is not going to adopt US AI so what's the problem? The problem is they want Chinese worshipping their AI God telling the Chinese and the world to worship white people as Gods. Why do you think after "Oct. 7th," the US admitted how angry they were at how they were not in control of all media in the world. What are they worried about Chinese AI...? It won't be as restrictive as US AI. Ironic. Now who's for freedom again...? It's a joke the West claims they're for freedom given their history. Today is no different. Western freedom is less freedom for everyone else.
 

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Interference is another word for China got their first. The US and West want China to follow their standards so they can ban China from it. Only in the West that sounds reasonable. The US and the West can just not follow Chinese standards. Who's going to win when it's the West weaponizing everything in their control? Another edge China has... it's cheaper than the West and most like is or will be better than theirs. So who is the world going to choose? That's what's alarming for the West. The West is all about expensive low quality crap. What do they think they have that trumps it? Because it's from white people...?

I just saw an article on US versus China on AI? China is not going to adopt US AI so what's the problem? The problem is they want Chinese worshipping their AI God telling the Chinese and the world to worship white people as Gods. Why do you think after "Oct. 7th," the US admitted how angry they were at how they were not in control of all media in the world. What are they worried about Chinese AI...? It won't be as restrictive as US AI. Ironic. Now who's for freedom again...? It's a joke the West claims they're for freedom given their history. Today is no different. Western freedom is less freedom for everyone else.
yup Qwen openweight models put "Open"AI to shame....
 
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