Military export bans to China

The big question is how come they can't use their own satellites? I bet it's a cover where some private satellite company wanted the business but couldn't compete with foreign rivals and lobbied Congress to eliminate the competition.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

They don't want false reading to askew the data on global warming, to predict calm when a pack of SHARKnadoes is coming. CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP

What? I am just keeping the facts Straight.

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We're talking about the US Congress, so I highly doubt most of those narcissistic peacocks know the difference between Sharknados and Shinola.

AssassinsMace said:

The big question is how come they can't use their own satellites? I bet it's a cover where some private satellite company wanted the business but couldn't compete with foreign rivals and lobbied Congress to eliminate the competition.

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Pretty wild theories here especially when all weather channels buys satellite data from around the world.
Japan's meteorological satellite Himawari covers most of what PRC's satellite covers except some parts in the middle east which would be beyond the horizon for Japan. I believe those parts would be covered by European and Indian satellites that would cover most of east Atlantic, Europe, middle east,India, western part of China and the Indian sea.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

It's called the Berry Amendment. Any and All US Military issued equipment must by law be made in the USA unless no supplier is available and then only from trusted Allies. IE Made in China on the back of any US military kit would be a NO NO and congress would throw a Conniption.

MRE's are Officially not really supposed to be Sold to civilians Period. They are officially Government property and not for resale.

Training manuals teach the basics of doctrine and can be dangerous as they can allow enemy Intel into mindset and operations. but it's also low pole stuff

Uniforms and Vests Also tend to be second runs and commercial stock.

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Amen Terran...spot on.

Think about it...do you want any potentially adversarial country (irrespective of which) providing your military with what they eat? MREs are made fun of...and in some cases understandably so...but what soldiers eat is a pretty basic and critical part of war fighting.

In the same sense, if you contract with others to provide training manuals...then you must reveal to them the very basic doctrine so they can write the manual.

This is pretty basic stuff.

The technical project of the new Sino-Brazilian satellite CBERS 4A is ready

(Defensa.com) The technical proposal CBERS-4A satellite, scheduled for launch in 2018, was presented to directors of the China National Management Area (CNSA) and the Brazilian Space Agency (AEB) during a meeting at the National Institute Space Research (INPE) in São José dos Campos. In Brazil, the development of CBERS program lies with the INPE. "We have done studies along with satellite CAST (China Academy of Space Technology, Programme in China) and begun discussions on the detailed design. After analyzing the governments of both countries, an additional protocol is presented to include the CBERS-4A mission in the bilateral agreement between Brazil and China, "said Leonel Perondi, director of INPE.

The CBERS (China-Brazil Earth Resources Satellite) program provides satellite imagery for environmental monitoring, check deforestation, natural disasters, expansion of agriculture and cities, among other applications. According Perondi, INPE and CAST must also submit at the end of the year the technical design of a new family of Earth observation satellites (CBERS-5 and 6, more advanced than the previous ones) in order to continue the program.

The CBERS-4A will be equipped with payloads provided by Brazil and China, and the division of responsibilities in the development of satellites will be 50% for each country. Under the proposal, Brazil should provide new MUX and WFI cameras - that have equipped the CBERS-3 and 4 - and the Data Collection System. China must include a high resolution camera (HRC).

INPE performs its part of the CBERS program in partnership with Brazilian companies, according to their training oriented national industry policy. Built by Opto Electronics, MUX is the first camera that was developed for satellite fully produced in Brazil. It is 4-band multispectral cameras to cover the range of blue wavelengths to near infrared (450 nm to 890 nm) with a resolution of 20 m on the ground and wide strip of land 120 km.

WFI is an advanced version of a similar device developed for CBERS-1 and 2, four spectral bands, ground resolution of 64 m at nadir, and a range of 866 kilometers. The camera offers improved spatial resolution compared with the sensors on board the CBERS-1 and CBERS-2 (260 m in the previous missions), maintaining, however, high time resolution of 5 days. The WFI was built by a consortium of Opto Electronics and Equatorial systems, upcoming Airbus DS group companies.


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Back to bottling my Grenache

SamuraiBlue said:

Pretty wild theories here especially when all weather channels buys satellite data from around the world.
Japan's meteorological satellite Himawari covers most of what PRC's satellite covers except some parts in the middle east which would be beyond the horizon for Japan. I believe those parts would be covered by European and Indian satellites that would cover most of east Atlantic, Europe, middle east,India, western part of China and the Indian sea.

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And the same could be said when there was controversy that the Pentagon leased bandwidth space on a Chinese communications satellite for its operations in Afghanistan. No one else's satellites were available?

TerraN_EmpirE said:

It's called the Berry Amendment. Any and All US Military issued equipment must by law be made in the USA unless no supplier is available and then only from trusted Allies. IE Made in China on the back of any US military kit would be a NO NO and congress would throw a Conniption.

For MRE's and training manuals the most common form of Illicit Export is incidental sale Some one gets a Real military product like MRE'es from a friend or at a PEX and then passes it on and it eventually ends up on Ebay. Or passed from one person to another via luggage or mail and it ends up in surprising places.

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MRE's are Officially not really supposed to be Sold to civilians Period. They are officially Government property and there for not for resale. Yet they are the most common form of leakage of government property and really no one is going to get slapped for it unless your the supplier and they were meant for troops deployed otherwise it's just back stock that would be taking up room in a Warehouse and often by the time it leaks to the civilians it's usually pretty close to the expiration date.
basically the Army doesn't even worry about them. a good camping story can get you MRE's hell I just ordered Some on Line well posting this.

Training manuals teach the basics of doctrine and can be dangerous as they can allow enemy Intel into mindset and operations. but it's also low pole stuff

Uniforms and Vests Also tend to be second runs and commercial stock.
Other things are more worry some like Actual issue night vision and Electronics as those are more sensitive. MRE's okay, Manuals I could get at the base PEX fine. knock off uniforms ah... not good but not end of the world. Actual serial numbered US GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. NO go, The chips and sensitive parts again No go.

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which is why I am continually disappointed to know that a lot of our military equipment and or least components within them are actually made outside of US. Many parts especially those that are sourced from COTS products are made outside the US and certainly not just by allied nations.

AssassinsMace said:

And the same could be said when there was controversy that the Pentagon leased bandwidth space on a Chinese communications satellite for its operations in Afghanistan. No one else's satellites were available?

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Communication satellites orbits a much lower orbit compared to weather satellites and many fall out of their orbit every three to five years. That is why they launch so many each year.

If they launch so many each year... why did the Pentagon have to lease bandwidth from Chinese satellites? So many available allies with the capability and their own satellites...

Could be a number of reasons, like not a satellite in the required orbit, or wanted a different orbit satellite to mask the transmission from the Talibans.