Maritime Cooperation 2012 joint Chinese & Russian naval training

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Red___Sword said:

A quick OT, I notice a lot of western people view the Fall of Berlin wall as THE BIG EVENT. But isn't the Legal Decompose of Soviet itself be more proper for THE BIG EVENT?

By the time German people hack the first brick from the Berlin wall, Soviet can still doom everyone's "brighter future". You have to count the fall of Soviet itself as the BIG EVENT, man.

Just saying.

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The fall of the Berlin Wall was the big event for all Germans and it did mean the end of the Soviet occupation of the Warsaw Pact countries.
The later collapse of the Soviet Union was another big event, but from a European and NATO point of view the confrontation was over with the fall of the wall.

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Red___Sword said:

Thanks for the data Jeff, but I though I read somewhere they have but only one typoon remain active duty?

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Well, TK-208, Dmitriy Donskoy, is definitely active and was the testbed for the Bulava missile. But TK-17, Arkhangelsk, and TK-20, Severstal, are in reserve and refitting and supposed to be active this year, 2012. We shall see. That is why I said three because those two actually have a chance to finish their refit and get back to sea.

Red___Sword said:

it maybe need a joint excercise by the "commies" at the Caribbean sea for people to wake up

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Well, a joint Sino-Russian, or even a Sino exercise of any large nature in the Carribean would certainly shake things up. I do not think the PLAN is ready for that yet...and it would ceertainly produce, probably very quickly, a larger US Navy budget and building rate...which the PLAN probably does not want to in any way be the fault of causing right now.

But that's just my opinion.

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Re: Russian Navy Cruiser Varyag in China

Kurt said:

The fall of the Berlin Wall was the big event for all Germans and it did mean the end of the Soviet occupation of the Warsaw Pact countries.
The later collapse of the Soviet Union was another big event, but from a European and NATO point of view the confrontation was over with the fall of the wall.

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OT.
Gosh , talking about the Old Soviet Bloc reminds me of the time I left thousands of Ostmarks under a rock in East Germany to avoid questioning by security and I loved partying in Berlin during the "cold war days." I found Berliners had a different outlook on things.

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It seems to me that the Russians are still using Systema (with some fancy kicks), what fighting style do the Chinese use? The Kung Fu we are often taught in the West doesn't look like a viable system to me and I strongly suspect that there has been a gouvernment researched development of a fighting style, similar to the Chinese gouvernment definition of the acupuncture points (and now research shows that these must not be adhered to as exact as defined in this system). It interests me how Chinese close combat is encoded because such encoding tells you a lot about the mental concepts of the warriors that use it (like comparing Krav Maga and Systema).

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Kurt said:

It seems to me that the Russians are still using Systema (with some fancy kicks), what fighting style do the Chinese use? The Kung Fu we are often taught in the West doesn't look like a viable system to me and I strongly suspect that there has been a gouvernment researched development of a fighting style, similar to the Chinese gouvernment definition of the acupuncture points (and now research shows that these must not be adhered to as exact as defined in this system). It interests me how Chinese close combat is encoded because such encoding tells you a lot about the mental concepts of the warriors that use it (like comparing Krav Maga and Systema).

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This is not some crazy cults ran by the government. It is deep rooted in Chinese culture and practiced widely in the general population. But Chinese martial arts in the last half century transformed a lot, panning more towards almost a ritualistic dance than real combat moves. They look like dances and are not that effective in real combat (I know because I practised a lot of them). The martial arts practiced in the military is very different, leaning towards lethality and practicality.

The best preserved Chinese martial arts are actually today's Ryukyu karate, Taekwondo and those practised in remote regions.

This is drifting off topic, maybe it deserves its own thread?

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China did have lots of practical martial arts regarding spear and sword use, but they are not really relevant in today's battlefield.

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I am quite surprise why have not PLAN DDG 170 and 171 turned up for this event? They are supposed to be China's finest! Are 170 and 171 out for mission?

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FarkTypeSoldier said:

I am quite surprise why have not PLAN DDG 170 and 171 turned up for this event? They are supposed to be China's finest! Are 170 and 171 out for mission?

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The best goes South Fleet. North Fleet get second tier.. LOL...

This exercise I believe involved the North Fleet only..

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