Magic of MIG-35

China isn't very satified with the Flankers right now, even though it has more to do with the avonics than the plane itself.

But how will this thing stay mid-air (It stays mid-air with the nose up right?) or stop and suddenly turn away? (Comm'on, it's not a harrier, unless it is also equipped w/ side thrusters, I hope not. I got a plane coming....)

Wonder what you can do with it when you give it BARS or SMT. (This plane is definitely not a SMT, which has a pulp back. The manuvers will be hampered though and I believe the speed too.)

I like the design of the TVC. Instead of moving the entire thruster.(Like the Terminator.) You just move those flaps. But didn't they use the RD-93 engine? Why the 33?

sumdud said:

But how will this thing stay mid-air (It stays mid-air with the nose up right?) or stop and suddenly turn away? (Comm'on, it's not a harrier, unless it is also equipped w/ side thrusters, I hope not. I got a plane coming....)

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You are right, it stays in mid air nose up thanks to its 1+ t/w ratio. I saw a su35 at an airshow some years ago. It performed a tailslide. It pulled up sharply, deaccelerated to practically standstill (it actually seemd to hang there for couple secs), slid down tail first, nose down and recoverd. The pilot, actuallly Mr Pugachev himself, also performed his famous cobra manouver. IIRC he also made a cobra like manouver in the middle of a steep turn. All this happend at fairly slow speeds. There was also a Su30 participating in the show so they did some duo flying too. Very nice show. The Flanker is an impressive sight, not just because of the stunts but also because it is a rather big aircraft. Actually I think the su30 was in reality a su27ub that was called su30 for marketing purposes (this was in ca 1995ish).

But didn't they use the RD-93 engine? Why the 33?

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IIRC the rd-93 is for installation in single engine fighters.

ok, the mkk is a ground attack plane. the mkk2 is the naval plane
the su-30 was not a su27ub, although it was designed off of it

ok, swimmer, the plaaf decided not to get mki/mkm upgrades since:
thye might not have been initially offered, china would have to persue the program itself. it may be a bit complicated, so they took the easy way
the did at least request the mkk2 and reinforced weight carrying ability.

the plaaf might not have desired something so radical. the mki is having many problems since its doing something the mk was not designed for.

if you notice, the plaaf has layed off buying flankers in hopes of more indegedous aircraft. and its also making radar and engine upgrades to the j-11s, so china is in fact persuing an upgrade, only indegedous. perhaps they will do the same for mkk later.

MIGleader said:

ok, the mkk is a ground attack plane. the mkk2 is the naval plane
the su-30 was not a su27ub, although it was designed off of it

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If you were refering to my post: I was talking about a specific aircraft, not su30s in general. Doubt about its true identity was mentioned in Air International years ago.
Picture and repeating of "doubt" can be found here


603 is a rather famous aircraft. It has appeard in numerous mags.

More Flankers and nice close ups


more pics, including two from the airshow in Kauhava which I saw.

Knarfo said:

If you were refering to my post: I was talking about a specific aircraft, not su30s in general. Doubt about its true identity was mentioned in Air International years ago.
Picture and repeating of "doubt" can be found here

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603 is a rather famous aircraft. It has appeard in numerous mags.

More Flankers and nice close ups

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more pics, including two from the airshow in Kauhava which I saw.

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the ub in the pic is exactly like the su-30 exept it has the diagnol tail fins.

MIGleader said:

if you notice, the plaaf has layed off buying flankers in hopes of more indegedous aircraft. and its also making radar and engine upgrades to the j-11s, so china is in fact persuing an upgrade, only indegedous. perhaps they will do the same for mkk later.

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ya know, thats actually better, since India ONLY get a license production, what if all 140 MKIs were shot down, India is ******!!!

As for China, if China can built on... then China is in a better place, since China can always replace them, India cant, and maybe China have the edge on this...

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ya know, thats actually better, since India ONLY get a license production, what if all 140 MKIs were shot down, India is FUCKED!!!

As for China, if China can built on... then China is in a better place, since China can always replace them, India cant, and maybe China have the edge on this...

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well, i doubt any af on earth could shoot sown those 140 mkis, but if anyone bribes russia, then putin might b@#$tch slap india with a parts embargo.

The SU-30MKK was the only choice for PLAAF. The Indians had choice of French and Isreali avonics. China didn't have the option. Those avonics make the biggest difference.

jatt said:

The SU-30MKK was the only choice for PLAAF. The Indians had choice of French and Isreali avonics. China didn't have the option. Those avonics make the biggest difference.

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last time i remeber, the israelis and french were the best friends of china. the french even go to measues of questionable legality to sell weapons to china

MIGleader said:

last time i remeber, the israelis and french were the best friends of china. the french even go to measues of questionable legality to sell weapons to china

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Yes, but the Israelis would have crumbled under American pressure. Just look what happened to the Phalcon deal: China got pretty trashed. The PLAAF doesn't want to take that risk again.