Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

TerraN_EmpirE

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Yup that's the Nlos LS points. But Blitzo has a point the thrust of launching a Nlos LS would have been small compared to a NSM.
 

Blitzo

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OK but if I'm not mistaken the range of NLOS-LS is

Range support: 40-60 kms (formerly 0.5-50 km) according to
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Yes, your point being?

If you are suggesting that exhaust volume/intensity increases proportionally with the range of a missile, that is untrue, simply if we do some mental arithmetic and eyeballing.

It is more likely that there is a better relationship to be found between exhaust volume/intensity and the weight of a missile. In that case, NSM is 410 kg, and NLOS LS is 53kg.
 
Yes, your point being?

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just armchair admiraling :) I mean the NLOS-LS would be the AShM "for self-defence, likely needed in the littorals" while the NSM could be used "to wreak havoc on the out-of-the-way surface group of any enemy" ... the problem (not mine LOL) is the USN LCS currently doesn't have any of these capabilities (please don't tell me about the AGM-114L Longbow Hellfire)
 

Jeff Head

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just armchair admiraling :) I mean the NLOS-LS would be the AShM "for self-defence, likely needed in the littorals" while the NSM could be used "to wreak havoc on the out-of-the-way surface group of any enemy" ... the problem (not mine LOL) is the USN LCS currently doesn't have any of these capabilities (please don't tell me about the AGM-114L Longbow Hellfire)
Well, it's clear that NLOS is not happening, so that is a moot point.

We are not sure what will happen, but for me the options are pretty clear...unless they want to continue to be all convuluted.

I would get at least a single 8 cell Mk-41 on each of these vessels...16 would be better, but eight will work. Then plan to put the LRASM into four of them, and quad pack ESSMs into the other four so you end up with:

04 x LRASM
16 x ESSM

In addition to the RAM or SeaRAM mount and the 57mm gun, and perhaps the 30mm guns, that alone would solve the ASuW issues with all of the LCS vessels.

They could then also add the newer Griffin missilesto combat swarming small speed boats, because there would be room for them.

In addition, an MH-60 "Sierra" with Hellfires is not a bad option at all for the swarming speedboat issues they are worried about. Outfit each of those two helos with 16 of those babies and go hunting.
 
Well, it's clear that NLOS is not happening, so that is a moot point.

We are not sure what will happen, but for me the options are pretty clear...unless they want to continue to be all convuluted.

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I wonder if some temporary (for, let's say, 2015-7 period) long-range AShM will be installed (like two Harpoon canisters, for example) on LCS Freedom and/or Independence.
 

Blitzo

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Installing a pair of quad slant harpoon launchers on the flight deck to one side would definitely be the quickest and cheapest way to give existing LCSs an anti surface capability they desperately need.
 

FORBIN

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I have never seen forecasting for installing Harpoon launchers normaly planned Griffin improved with one extended range.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
okay so mounting the NSM in the deck house is questionable but what about on? that is to say install the launchers on top of the deck on the housing with plates behind them to redirect the blast.
 

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In case you fellows did not see these. Some nice views of USS Freedom (LCS 1)

PACIFIC OCEAN (May 12, 2014) An MQ-8B Fire Scout unmanned helicopter assigned to Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadron (HSM) 35 prepares to land and a rigid-hull inflatable boats prepares to enter on the littoral combat ship USS Freedom (LCS 1) during visit, board, search and seizure (VBSS) training off the coast of Southern California. The training marked the first time a littoral combat ship, an MQ-8B Fire Scout unmanned helicopter and an SH-60R Sea Hawk helicopter conducted integrated VBSS training. (U.S. Navy photos by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Tim D. Godbee/Released)

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