Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: Littoral Combat Ships (LCS); Which is best?

"she may not be a supermodel But I wouldn't go kicking her out of bed"

Larger Flight deck when compared too the the freedom and larger storage. hopefully LCS 3 and 4 will come on line smoother
 

williamhou

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Re: Littoral Combat Ships (LCS); Which is best?

USS Independence looks so good, I like it.

But since it is a bit too different, it may not be the one chosen by USN
 

Jeff Head

General
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USS Independence looks so good, I like it.

But since it is a bit too different, it may not be the one chosen by USN
If both companies can control costs, I believe both will end up getting good production runs. I'd like to see 20-25 of each.
 

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GULF OF MEXICO (July 12, 2009) The littoral combat ship Independence (LCS 2) underway during builder's trials. Builder's trials are the first opportunity for the shipbuilder and the U.S. Navy to operate the ship underway, and provide an opportunity to test and correct issues before acceptance trials. (All Photos courtesy Dennis Griggs General Dynamics/Released)
 

Jeff Head

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Oh yes...most assuredly. Glad to see them both at sea and hope to see the necessary cost reductions (and commitments from the US Navy that would lead to them) to allow good production runs on one or both vessels.
 

Ambivalent

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Apparently the Freedom's flight deck is not currently able to be certified for any helicopter. I haven't been able to find out the details. Neither ship will meet the original speed and range KPP's (Key Performance Parameters ) in the original CDD (Capability Development Document), so that parameter was relaxed to what the ships will actually do. I don't yet know the new speed and range parameters. The Navy is wondering how well a ship with water jet propulsion will behave during unrep. During unrep there is strong suction between the two ships, and no one has ever tried unrep with a water jet propelled ship to know if there are going to be any problems with this. The suction could conceivably affect both the water jet inlets and steering control. This is why you build prototypes and test them.
 

Finn McCool

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I have major problems with this program and think it has been severely mismanaged, but that doesn't mean I won't say that isn't one fine lookin' ship.:D
 

Ambivalent

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I wished it carried a larger gun.

250 rounds per minute and a 15,000 meter range. The USN considers it to be the finest naval gun under 100 mm. The Oto 76 mm Compatto proved to be thoroughly unreliable in service. The USN cut it's rate of fire back from the designer's 120 rounds per minute to 90 rpm hoping, vainly it proved, to keep the gun together. No one will miss that gun. With modern energetic materials you do not need as large a warhead as, say, twenty year ago, to make the same explosion. The Bofors gun is superb.
Now if only the US Army would ditch the NLOS Gun and buy the Archer howitzer..........but that is for another thread. :)
 

Scratch

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Rather old news here, but just to keep this thread somewhat up to date.
This could be an early end to the two way competition between LCS designs. The USN wants the next two vessels (FY10) to be provided by a single company / shipyard. And up to eight further through FY14. The reason is said to be an easier aquisition process. But I doubt that after five years and ten ships, the navy will reopen competition again. Unless the selected design develops a severe long term fault. Or the just buy the first half of the 55 LCS right now to lower costs, and then decide if the second half will be of the same or a different design.

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LCS Solicitation Canceled, To Be Reissued

Sep 18, 2009 By Bettina H. Chavanne

The U.S. Navy announced late Sept. 16 that it has canceled the solicitation for three Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) for fiscal 2010 “due to affordability,” and will instead issue a new solicitation, leading to a downselect to a single design.

“The Navy remains committed to a 55-LCS program,” assistant Secretary of the Navy Sean Stackley stressed to Pentagon reporters late in the day. “The Navy had no reasonable basis to believe the LCS program would be executable under the current acquisition strategy.” A new request for proposals (RFP) will be released this fall, and will provide for a downselect — which Stackley said will probably occur in spring 2010 — to a single prime contractor and shipyard. The fixed-price contract is for up to 10 ships, with two ships in FY ’10 and options through FY ’14.

A little less straightforward is the second piece of the new solicitation. In FY ’12, a second competition for a second source (i.e., shipyard) will be opened. The second shipyard will build the FY ’10 winner’s design, with one ship in FY ’12 and options for four more through FY ’14. In FY ’15, the two shipyards will continue to compete for future construction.

“If I’m making it complicated, that’s because it is,” Stackley said when reporters pressed him. “Today’s prime has a choice. It can be the system provider or align himself as a shipbuilder. The prime will not be a [combat systems] provider and the shipbuilder in future competitions.”

Stackley claimed the new strategy increases “competitive pressure at the prime and subcontractor levels.” The final plan was briefed to Congress Sept. 17, and industry was being told of the decision concurrently. Lockheed Martin issued a statement late Sept. 16: “We believe the U.S. Navy’s approach will make it possible to further enhance the affordability of this important new class of ship, and we fully support the initiative.”

As for the program, delivery of the second LCS, along with construction of the third and fourth ships, will not be affected by the new solicitation.

Vice Adm. Barry McCullough, deputy chief of naval operations for integration, said the two ships from competitors General Dynamics and Lockheed are “viable hull forms” that already meet requirements. With two ships already built, the Navy had the luxury of performing limited operational assessments on the two designs.
 
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