Mass infiltration tactics are not the same as "human wave" tactics. Totally lacking in air support and artillery, and even lacking basic motor transport and supply, what Peng accomplished was a feat in itself.
lin biao vs Peng Dehuai
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Mass infiltration tactics are not the same as "human wave" tactics. Totally lacking in air support and artillery, and even lacking basic motor transport and supply, what Peng accomplished was a feat in itself.
Ender Wiggin
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addmittedly though if you look at Georgi Zhukov he lost the least amount of men throughout the entire engagement, some only 8% of his command I believ during the defence of Moscow. Humans waves pretty much is a myth.
renmin
Junior Member
Both people were weird.
The story of lin biao is a conspiracy but we know he wasnt a very nice guy
He has made countless sucess in warfare, a briliant tactician
Chairman Mao named lin Biao as his succesor, but that guy was already a old and beaten guy! Lin feared that by the time Mao died, he would be dead too!
When Lin could no longer hold it, he organized a group and engineered a plan to kidnap the beloved Chairman. The plan was that a group of thugs would kidnap the Chairman on his train and later terminate him. Then Lin Biao will rise to power. A clear sense of greed. Chairman Mao did not follow his plan to board the train but instead flew in a airplane. Some say it was the brilliant mind of the Chairman. Some say it was intelligence. One thing is for sure, Chairman Mao knew there was something wrong with the train.
Figuring out that his plan has failed, Lin took his family and fled for the USSR but his plane crashed somewhere in the north. This again is a mystery, we dont know if it was fuel loss or if it was shot down.
Marshall Peng is alot better than Lin.
He was what led to the PVA's success in the Korean conflict.
It is known that Prng argues with the Chairman alot. They disagreed in many things. Mao's son actually was killed under the Marshalls command during the Korean conflict.
The story of lin biao is a conspiracy but we know he wasnt a very nice guy
He has made countless sucess in warfare, a briliant tactician
Chairman Mao named lin Biao as his succesor, but that guy was already a old and beaten guy! Lin feared that by the time Mao died, he would be dead too!
When Lin could no longer hold it, he organized a group and engineered a plan to kidnap the beloved Chairman. The plan was that a group of thugs would kidnap the Chairman on his train and later terminate him. Then Lin Biao will rise to power. A clear sense of greed. Chairman Mao did not follow his plan to board the train but instead flew in a airplane. Some say it was the brilliant mind of the Chairman. Some say it was intelligence. One thing is for sure, Chairman Mao knew there was something wrong with the train.
Figuring out that his plan has failed, Lin took his family and fled for the USSR but his plane crashed somewhere in the north. This again is a mystery, we dont know if it was fuel loss or if it was shot down.
Marshall Peng is alot better than Lin.
He was what led to the PVA's success in the Korean conflict.
It is known that Prng argues with the Chairman alot. They disagreed in many things. Mao's son actually was killed under the Marshalls command during the Korean conflict.
sinowarrior
Junior Member
Lin is a far better commander compared to Peng, even in the Red Army period, Lin is a better commander compared to Peng, as for the war with Japan, Lin was injured after that Ping Xingguan, so no further battle for him. Whereas Peng did command the army and fought the Bai Tuan Da Zhan, but whether this campaign was a success or not is questionable, since after the Japanese counter attacked the Chinese lost one of its best aid-de-camp, and Peng himself was nearly captured. During the civil war era, Lin really proved himself to be the god of war, he totally changed the balance of power in mainland China in his 4 years stay at Manchuria. He only had less than one hundred thousand troops to start up with but at the end, his entire army grew to one million men strong with the best equipment in the communist army, and that army like the Manchurian of the old, fought from Heilongjiang all the way to Hainan island. Even Peng’s initial success in Korea was based on Lin’s army, all the army commanders, staff members were in fact worked under Lin during the civil war, they were part of Lin's army. Apart from phobias I think the reason for Lin not to command in Korea is the Mao’s fear of him, Peng is simple and loyal to Mao and would obey Mao’s command, as demonstrated during the 5th campaign in Korea War, he initiated the campaign because Mao wished him to do so, regardless the opinion from the field commanders. If Lin was in command, he would have defied the wish of Mao, just like he had defied Mao’s command during the civil war. Also to note during the cultural revolution Peng was physically attacked by some of the Korea veteran generals simply they hated him for his way of command, the disregard to troop’s life.
petty officer1
Junior Member
I once read a personall biographpy of a personal aid of Lin Biao. In the book he was show as a semi-crazy old man, that agree with his wife all the time. during the culure revolution ignored many reports of chaos in military and not doing anything. In the later day of his life he start to construct ridicules military project- 1. cover AA guns with civilian roofs to provent them from been discovered. 2. instruct to construct men made "mountain" installation around beijing area. wasting money, man power. 3. construct civilian "horse back troops" .......
while he listen to military reports, he like to play with matches... very weird guy....
while he listen to military reports, he like to play with matches... very weird guy....
Why Mao fear Lin Biao early? I doubt so or else he will not make him 2nd in command during cultural revolution.. The successor of Mao...
Peng is by no means so royal and obedient to Mao. Remember,he is one of the pioneer to criticise Mao when his great leaps failed. No doubt Lin Biao is brilliant. Peng is good for the fact he is able to build up good rapport with his men,win their trust and is like a big brother ,taking care and able to lead them effectively.
sinowarrior
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but Lin disobeyed Mao several times during civil war, Mao insist on fighting the KMT and block them outside of the Manchuria, but Lin disobeyed because he does not have the ability to do so, but if it is Peng he would obeyed just like what he did in Korea, a waste of human life without any military gain (the attack on seoul etc)