lin biao vs Peng Dehuai

WHo is your favourite general of PLA between these 2?

Lin Biao
Stunning success of Shenyang campaign that help PLA captured whole mainland CHina.

Peng Dehuai
The highest command for PLA volunteer that ambushed and nearly wiped out the allied forces of Korea war but later suffered heavy losses against the allies..

My personal favourite will be Lin Biao, a cool and all mean business general who military genious is admired by many...

Kilo636 said:

WHo is your favourite general of PLA between these 2?

Lin Biao
Stunning success of Shenyang campaign that help PLA captured whole mainland CHina.

Peng Dehuai
The highest command for PLA volunteer that ambushed and nearly wiped out the allied forces of Korea war but later suffered heavy losses against the allies..

My personal favourite will be Lin Biao, a cool and all mean business general who military genious is admired by many...

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cool all mean business and genious yes. admired i don;t know. He was ruthless durign the cultural revolution helped purged peng. Then trying defect and the plane crash. i guess waht goes around comes around. And speaking of shengyang, he pretty much block the city and let about .25 million people starving to death. As of peng duhai, he actually sticked to his peasant roots and the only person who had the balls to stand up to mao durign the lushan conference when no one dare to which ultimately lead to his down fall.

Lin Biao is a super military genuis. Russia once wanted to use 10 of her top generals to trade Lin Biao. However, China refused.

Lin Biao was killed on his way escape to Russia. Some says his plane crashed. But I think his plane is shut down by China's air defence. To Sad

As talent wise Lin Biao is a lot better. However, Pend Dehuai is more loyal.

Jiang said:

Lin Biao is a super military genuis. Russia once wanted to use 10 of her top generals to trade Lin Biao. However, China refused.

Lin Biao was killed on his way escape to Russia. Some says his plane crashed. But I think his plane is shut down by China's air defence. To Sad

As talent wise Lin Biao is a lot better. However, Pend Dehuai is more loyal.

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well actually lin's plane crashed b/c it ran out of fuel. B/c lin biao's daughter informed the guards the night before the tri[ that lin biao was defecting. SO they left in a hurry i mean literally with the guard's jeep chasing behind them. they got to the airport at shanghaiguan and the plane just to started refuelling. But the plane had to take off right away so there wasn't enough fuel to go to guandong. yes russia was actually their fall back destinations b/c they orginally wanna escape to Guangdong then go to hongkong. b/c the Guangzhou military regions commander was loyal to linbiao. Plus the plane also had to fly low to avoid radar which uses more fuel. so the plane crashed in mongolia due to lack of fuel

yifyif said:

well actually lin's plane crashed b/c it ran out of fuel. B/c lin biao's daughter informed the guards the night before the tri[ that lin biao was defecting. SO they left in a hurry i mean literally with the guard's jeep chasing behind them. they got to the airport at shanghaiguan and the plane just to started refuelling. But the plane had to take off right away so there wasn't enough fuel to go to guandong. yes russia was actually their fall back destinations b/c they orginally wanna escape to Guangdong then go to hongkong. b/c the Guangzhou military regions commander was loyal to linbiao. Plus the plane also had to fly low to avoid radar which uses more fuel. so the plane crashed in mongolia due to lack of fuel

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Thanks for the info.

Jiang said:

Lin Biao is a super military genuis. Russia once wanted to use 10 of her top generals to trade Lin Biao. However, China refused.

Lin Biao was killed on his way escape to Russia. Some says his plane crashed. But I think his plane is shut down by China's air defence. To Sad

As talent wise Lin Biao is a lot better. However, Pend Dehuai is more loyal.

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Allies forces of Korea WAr is fortune that Lin Biao was sicked during that time. Or else Lin will be the one leading the Chinese Volunteer to attack the Allies which I think will be even a more disaster for them!

Kilo636 said:

Allies forces of Korea WAr is fortune that Lin Biao was sicked during that time. Or else Lin will be the one leading the Chinese Volunteer to attack the Allies which I think will be even a more disaster for them!

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lin biao was quite a srewed up guy actually. He had water phobia and air phobia. When he's taking a shit he has to squad on the bed with a blanket cover over him. Yea he had quite a few phobia. also an drug addict. (hooked on morphine for a while due to his injuries i believe) Well he looke d like one too.otherwise He's a genius. But all genius is ****** in some ways.

let's use some civilized language and constructive criticisms please.
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The western historian always said that Pang De huai send human wave to face them. Is it true, what the strategic tactics that applied by him to face the Allied bomber and artilery?i

simonov said:

The western historian always said that Pang De huai send human wave to face them. Is it true, what the strategic tactics that applied by him to face the Allied bomber and artilery?i

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That is not really all there is too it.

Pang had a problem durring KW, china lack the heavy machine to do suppression fire when they need to flank or roll a position. He end up using the troops in human waves to do what they lacked in heavy support units.
Yes he had used human lives to gain military advantage on the ground, but most western historian failed the add is the human wave is only a distraction, they are always combined with either a flank attack or a pincer roll type.

You have to realize since the invention of the maxium-machine gun, no frontal attack can be successful on any fortified postion when the attacker don't have overwleming firepower. WWI is the prefect example. Those were true human wave attacks that gains nothing.

In the last few years a couple of articles were published in Russia, China and also by a japanese historian maintaining that the Sovietunion was heavily involved in the Lin Biao affair. Lin Biao wanted to normalize the relations with Moscow and after cementing his position as Mao's successor he wanted even reestablish the strategic axis with the USSR.
Of course Mao and Zhou Enlai did everything to prevent this from happening since they identified the USSR as ´the enemy´ and had decided to normalize relations with the US as a counterweight to soviet ´social imperialism´. Some knowledgeable experts agree that Lin Biao was killed after he was arrested by a commando unit under orders from Zhou Enlai and that the entire ´mongolian plane crash´ was a convenient cover story keeping the lid on what really happened.
Interestingly there are existing some photos from the crash site depicting soviet troops and specialists searching the wreck but the soviets have never published anything useful about the remains of Lin Biao and about other aspects of the accident. Perhaps Moscow was ashamed of being caught red handed conspiring against the Mao/Zhou leadership and they kept mum about the affair for fear of turning the relationship with Beijing from bad to worse only to the delight of Washington!

Hopefully the government archives in Beijing will release some documents about the mysterious affair eventually shedding light on this dark spot of chinese history.:coffee: (but this will take some time I guess, perhaps a decade or so )