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siegecrossbow

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I told you to stop dragging in Pakistan into this thread and you keep sneaking it in, even after you admitted that it was off-topic, proving your insidious intentions.

Let's recap: First you tried to push "Indian values" as the common ground between Pakistan and India. Next, you tried to fabricate a false narrative on the Conquest of Sindh to minimize the value of Islam for Pakistanis. And now, you are ranting about genetic similarity to get Pakistanis to accept India's parenthood and leadership. Your agenda of indirectly pushing Indian-Supremacy is very obvious to me, despite this 'nice guy' act you're trying to pull.

All the while another hilarious discussion is raging with one of your compatriots trying to defend the BJP's overt-Nazism. As if there is any need for providing "context" to the Seig Heil salute. It is probably the most infamous gesture in world history. No one can claim ignorance of it, let alone a political party of a country. Moreover, previous Indian members on this very thread proudly equated their own army with the frekkin Wehrmacht.

And by the way, I already had an argument with another Indian on this thread about the genetic differences between Pakistanis and Indians, and I posted my own genetic results from FtDNA. You can refer to that: Post #10,582

Now, again: Stop dragging in Pakistan to your hapless arguments. We're not going to assimilate into India. Get over it.

I think we can all agree that they better work on the upper body strength so that they could do a proper Sieg Heil before any such equivalence can be made.
 

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However, i don't feel Indian hindus are irrational, certainly not most of them. It is to the credit of Indian founding fathers which were mainly all hindus that people have lived and mixed together well. There are of course issues created by politics because of which minorities might feel uncomfortable and that is a con of democracy but there are some pros also. But at a common level, all religions live peacefully and respect each other. There are odd troubles which shouldn’t be there but India is also a big country.
One of the "founding fathers " of India, was the one who compiled and mostly wrote the Constitution of India. He was a Buddhist and his name was Dr.B.R. Ambedkar. From what I have read in his book online "Riddles of Hinduism" (
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Bellum_Romanum

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I think it's best we discuss or talk about India's geopolitical strategy for Asia how it sees herself going forward in light of her intense competition with her fellow ancient neighbor with China.

I came across this talk on the Wire's YouTube Channel (Indian media) I found the conversation informative and insightful to learn a glimpse into some of Indians aspirations, struggles in competing with the existing global order that's being challenged by the Rise of China. Please take some time to watch and listen to an illuminating discussion and the book that the topic itself was based on.


I inserted an excerpt from the book that I found myself profoundly hopeful thland optimistic that India will find herself the success it deserves for the good of Asia and the world.
 

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Abhimanyu

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One of the "founding fathers " of India, was the one who compiled and mostly wrote the Constitution of India. He was a Buddhist and his name was Dr.B.R. Ambedkar. From what I have read in his book online "Riddles of Hinduism" (
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). Dr. Ambedkar's views on Hindus and Hinduism are different from yours. Could you explain why ?

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Buddhism brought a major change in the society. It did not believe in Caste and Buddha preached in the local language. This meant that the few Brahmins who knew Sanskrit could no longer be the custodians. B.R. Ambedkar's view are highly respected.

Again, I was asked a question so just digressing. The comparison between Indian and Chinese society are:-

China:- Religion can not be blind. It can not be above human welfare. This is a major advantage and that is how society should be. Religion has blinded a lot of societies and led to their downfall. I think feeling superior based on a religion can be the lowest form of superiority. China has done well in this regard as all religions are imperfect. However, The disadvantage is that people can easily become completely materialistic and detached from seeking an individual spiritual journey. An individual spiritual journey is completely different from following a religion. Also, speaking mind freely can be seen as a threat by the state.

India:- Too much religion which hampers a scientific attitude. This is a major disadvantage and we were divided because of religion itself in 1947. Also, many fake godmen(Fake pirs and fake saints) tend to crop up which end up harming the society more. The only advantage is that people can still seek their spiritual journey. They are free in their mind and can help the society but then these people are not in bulk. One of my favourite Godmen is Osho which incidentally is very controversial but if you read his books, you feel near to the truth. Truth is beyond religion, beyond all of nations, nationalities and our egos.
 

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This is a major disadvantage and we were divided because of religion itself in 1947. Also, many fake godmen(Fake pirs and fake saints) tend to crop up which end up harming the society more. The only advantage is that people can still seek their spiritual journey. They are free in their mind and can help the society but then these people are not in bulk. One of my favourite Godmen is Osho which incidentally is very controversial but if you read his books, you feel near to the truth. Truth is beyond religion, beyond all of nations, nationalities and our egos.
This is True, there are many Indian Muslim immigrants. But what they don't know there's a dozen different kinds of Religion outside of South East Asia and all of their version of muslims comes from video games and movies That's why they invite people to sit down and talk with them.
 

Sardaukar20

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A longer version of that video:

Watch 0:00 to 2:06. The rest is commentary by a Youtuber. This video also commemorates the sacrifice of Wang Zhuoran who drowned in the Galwan River.

Some screenshots of the new footage:

PLA-IA stone throwing.JPG
Stone-throwing from the PLA side. Notice the metal shields held up by the Indian soldiers.

PLA-IA brawl.JPG
More brawling footage. Notice the turban-wearing Sikh soldiers on the Indian side.

PLA soldiers getting swept in river.JPG
Two PLA soldiers getting swept away by the Galwan River. These guys were rescued shortly after.
 

siegecrossbow

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A longer version of that video:

Watch 0:00 to 2:06. The rest is commentary by a Youtuber. This video also commemorates the sacrifice of Wang Zhuoran who drowned in the Galwan River.

Some screenshots of the new footage:

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Stone-throwing from the PLA side. Notice the metal shields held up by the Indian soldiers.

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More brawling footage. Notice the turban-wearing Sikh soldiers on the Indian side.

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Two PLA soldiers getting swept away by the Galwan River. These guys were rescued shortly after.

Metal shields seem like a bad idea for this environment. They are heavy, cumbersome, and sink in water.

Interesting that the last image shows construction equipment. That does confirm some of the earlier rumors.
 

Sardaukar20

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Metal shields seem like a bad idea for this environment. They are heavy, cumbersome, and sink in water.

Interesting that the last image shows construction equipment. That does confirm some of the earlier rumors.
Indeed, it is unusual to be using metal riot shields. Even the Indian riot police uses plastic shields. Perhaps those shields were hastily made, or were actually scavenged metal plates used as shields?

The last image also showed how dangerous the Galwan River became by that night. The water current was raging. Soldiers could have been easily swept by the currents. Not a good place to be having a night brawl. Looks like even in mountainous warfare, the soldiers would still need to learn how to swim, and perform water rescue.
 

PiSigma

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Buddhism brought a major change in the society. It did not believe in Caste and Buddha preached in the local language. This meant that the few Brahmins who knew Sanskrit could no longer be the custodians. B.R. Ambedkar's view are highly respected.

Again, I was asked a question so just digressing. The comparison between Indian and Chinese society are:-

China:- Religion can not be blind. It can not be above human welfare. This is a major advantage and that is how society should be. Religion has blinded a lot of societies and led to their downfall. I think feeling superior based on a religion can be the lowest form of superiority. China has done well in this regard as all religions are imperfect. However, The disadvantage is that people can easily become completely materialistic and detached from seeking an individual spiritual journey. An individual spiritual journey is completely different from following a religion. Also, speaking mind freely can be seen as a threat by the state.

India:- Too much religion which hampers a scientific attitude. This is a major disadvantage and we were divided because of religion itself in 1947. Also, many fake godmen(Fake pirs and fake saints) tend to crop up which end up harming the society more. The only advantage is that people can still seek their spiritual journey. They are free in their mind and can help the society but then these people are not in bulk. One of my favourite Godmen is Osho which incidentally is very controversial but if you read his books, you feel near to the truth. Truth is beyond religion, beyond all of nations, nationalities and our egos.
This forum is not for religious discussion and is considered off topic.
 
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