Ladakh Flash Point

ikaleem · Feb 28, 2021

Mohsin77 said:
You guys realize that Indians still think they 'won' the Balakot episode right? That was exactly 2 years ago. And they're still not convinced they lost anything, when literally the entire planet laughed at their claims, even their own allies.

If you wanna fix this problem, it's not gonna happen through rational debate. This is gonna require a war, which is what China is preparing for now, along with Pakistan. The CPC understood this on August 5th, 2019, when India revoked Article 370, as Sawhney has said repeatedly, trying to warn India's leadership which is not paying attention.

This can't be a long war. It will need to be a 48-72 hour high intensity conflict. The two key objectives are Kashmir and crippling India's military. Both objectives will need to be met in this time window, before the international outcry over 3 nuclear countries going to war becomes overwhelming and a ceasefire is called. It's not a trivial matter. Even when an enemy is as incompetent as India, it takes a lot of planning and preparation to pull off an offensive against an entrenched enemy, especially one as big as India. It will take time to prepare for this. Years, maybe even a decade, before all the pieces are in place. So don't get frustrated, just wait. Grab some popcorn.

I am sorry but this has to be one of the most ridiculous comments. Wars are never the answer. The defence capabilities should be as it says "Defence". China or any other country in the right frame of mind cannot risk geo political issues that will arise as a result of this as you put it "small scale war".

The economic issues on hand a far greater than getting involved in pointless wars which will not garner anything for any country. In long run the future wars will be fought on economic and information battle grounds. China is indeed fortifying its position on that front and will be doing that for years to come. A conventional war even at a limited scale will not favour China and if Pakistan gets involved that would be stupidity of an epic scale.

Sorry to be blunt but some of your comments on this forum just dont make any sense.

Xizor · Feb 28, 2021

twineedle said:
I do think multiple replies by the same poster should be merged together. Some other forums have that feature.
But until someone provides evidence countering my arguements and evidence, I will continue to post so that people interested in the subject can see the ground reality. So far nobody has debunked the satellite imagery I posted.

Whoa. Lots have been debunked. Your satellite images are dated. After that disengagement has happened and half an year has passed. Why should the forum debunk your dated satellite images and your brouhaha claims of India having achieved some imaginary victory?

Xizor · Feb 28, 2021

twineedle said:
And since members here care so much about educating lurkers with facts and evidence about the standoff, I will present some once again.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1280492419407122433

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1292100480315740160

This is just a repeat of all the posts you posted in your efforts to paint as good a picture as you can for India.

Assuming that these images are showing what you insist they are showing - These satellite images are from a time frame of June-July when the border was extremely active. Troop movements were intense and ofcourse dismantling and raising new posts should be frequent then.

Why should we dissect that? That too half an year has passed and disengagement has been brought into effect.

Xizor · Feb 28, 2021

twineedle said:
And since members here care so much about educating lurkers with facts and evidence about the standoff, I will present some once again.

You are presenting nothing new. All dated ones which you've been recycling for half an year now. Get new ones from your Australian buddies.

Xizor · Feb 28, 2021

twineedle said:
There is no new LAC. The LAC agreed to is the same de facto LAC there has been since 1962, that both sides agreed to maintain peace adn tranquility along in 1993.

China and India never had an agreement that demarcated the LAC.

Both had their own interpretation of LAC.
Do you have some reading and comprehension issues?

Mohsin77 · Feb 28, 2021

ikaleem said:
Sorry to be blunt

Don't apologize, I can handle your 'bluntness,' as long as you can handle the response:

ikaleem said:
Wars are never the answer.

You say my comments are ridiculous, while at the same time posting hippy nonsense like this, and on a defense forum no less... Yours is not a rational position. It is an ideological position. Anyone who says "war is never the answer" has no understanding of human history.

ikaleem said:
In long run the future wars will be fought on economic and information battle grounds.

Thanks for that prophecy hippy nostradamus. I guess everyone should just disarm then if conventional conflict is obsolete.

Xizor · Feb 28, 2021

twineedle said:
So whhat sources are neutral? Because you sure haven't provided Indian sources either.

Please make up your mind. Either Indian media is terrible, or it is reliable. Because I can provide you many Indian articles showing how the Ladakh Standoff was a complete victory for india(which I am not claiming)

keep in mind you are the only one providing Indian media as evidence here.

You are the ones insisting on neutral sources.
I have mentioned that neutrality will become irrelevant when cross checked irrefutable evidences are submitted by any source.

For example -

If North Korea, assuming that we all can agree that North Korea can't be trusted, says that the biggest animal in the world right now is the Blue Whale, do you check the claims or neutrality of NK?

You keep harping about situations that may have existed during the conflict period. We keep talking about what happened after that.

Xizor · Feb 28, 2021

twineedle said:
How can India back of from land it never occupied? By now it should be clear India never had any permanent or temporary structure past f4 since 1962. Only China had occupied and patrolled that area.

Wrong. China occupied that area during the Ladakh standoff.

India couldn't. China could. The point here is - during the standoff. We may ask what was stopping India from occupying till F4 or further.

twineedle · Feb 28, 2021

PiSigma said:
It's been debunked many times, you just refuse to read it or believe it. That's your opinion, just don't want to see the same stuff being posted again and again. It's literally 50 pages of the same thing, you guys need to stop.

None of the third party, unbiased evidence I have posted has been debunked. Wheneer I have asked members to provide counter evidence, I am met with nothing but obfuscation and insults.

twineedle · Feb 28, 2021

Xsizor said:
Whoa. Lots have been debunked. Your satellite images are dated. After that disengagement has happened and half an year has passed. Why should the forum debunk your dated satellite images and your brouhaha claims of India having achieved some imaginary victory?

Because the images prove that China failed to shift the LAC and occupy Galwan, like they tried to do.

Meanwhile can you prove that india lost 1000 km or that India is retreating from its own territory? You have not provided any evidence to back those claim, and have ironically posted nothing but dubious Indian sources.

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