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ougoah

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This is going crazy off topic. I think some members have already been warned??

Let's say the religion topic was inadvertently introduced by a new Indian member who probably didn't expect this going so off course. It's now gone into history. Please refrain!
 

twineedle

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My entire assertion is South Asia was never successfully ruled by Hindus. Mauryan empire reached it's peak when it left hindusism in time of Chandragupta & Ashoka. That's why we know their names. Nobody knows another names from that dynasty.
As for hindus, we know they successfully discovered zero,till then they are still successfully implementing the meaning of zero in their every day lives.
So it's all good.

Dude, stop BSing. You go out there, consult with 1 billion of your fellow & come back with 1 single definition of whatever your faith is. Yesterday someone was preaching it is simply way of life. Today, many form of god, tomorrow something else.
Abrahamis religion doesn't believe in multiple form of god, they believe in multiple role of god.
In hinduism only, god needs to take physical form. What i never understood is, how can many form of one god make family and produce grand kids. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
The Mauryan Empire at its height was under Chandragupta Maurya, a hindu. As I said, Chandragupta ruled as a Hindu but adopted Buddhism after abdicating the throne. This is recorded in Jain sources. Please do some research on Brahmagupta and Aryabhata and their contributions, then you will know why they are so significant.
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And ironically, The Mauryan Empire decline soon after Ashok's adoption of Buddhism, and was eventually replaced by the hindu Shungas. Yet you are saying Buddhist rulers of South Asia were somehow better than Hindus.
 

twineedle

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This is going crazy off topic. I think some members have already been warned??

Let's say the religion topic was inadvertently introduced by a new Indian member who probably didn't expect this going so off course. It's now gone into history. Please refrain!
To be fair, I do think @Abhimanyu meant well in his initial posts.
 

Nobaron

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The Mauryan Empire at its height was under Chandragupta Maurya, a hindu. As I said, Chandragupta ruled as a Hindu but adopted Buddhism after abdicating the throne.
Mauryan empire was at its highest when it was under kings explicitly left hinduism. Jainism is older than hinduism. It was ashoka who adopted buddhism.
Please do some research on Brahmagupta and Aryabhata and their contributions, then you will know why they are so significant.
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What am i supposed to do with these? These are ancient version of modern silicon valley working indians. It exactly proves my point, why they work better under other's rule & command :cool::cool:
And ironically, The Mauryan Empire decline soon after Ashok's adoption of Buddhism, and was eventually replaced by the hindu Shungas. Yet you are saying Buddhist rulers of South Asia were somehow better than Hindus.
Ironically it was hindus who gave sub continent to Britseys. It was other who expanded sub continent values like buddhism. Hindus could not even self defend in their own back yard.
Now they rank below bermuda.
I would ask bermudans how do they feel about your last statement & leave it there :cool:
 

twineedle

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Mauryan empire was at its highest when it was under kings explicitly left hinduism. Jainism is older than hinduism. It was ashoka who adopted buddhism.

What am i supposed to do with these? These are ancient version of modern silicon valley working indians. It exactly proves my point, why they work better under other's rule & command :cool::cool:

Ironically it was hindus who gave sub continent to Britseys. It was other who expanded sub continent values like buddhism. Hindus could not even self defend in their own back yard.
Now they rank below bermuda.
I would ask bermudans how do they feel about your last statement & leave it there :cool:
What are you talking about? Do you have any sources saying that Jainism is older than Hinduism? If so, please post it. Both Jainism and Buddhism are originated from Hinduism. The fact is, Chandragupta Maurya was a Hindu when he ruled South Asia. What he practiced after abdicating the throne is irrelevant to this discussion.

And Brahmagupta and Arybhata were Indian Hindus living in an Empire run by Indian Hindus. What does that have to do with your Silicon Valley example?
 

Abhimanyu

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To be fair, I do think @Abhimanyu meant well in his initial posts.
My idea was only to show the common ground. The relevant theme was that India China will move towards a positive relation but it may require time. That led to the diversion. I did not intended to.

As we speak, there is optimism from the 12th round of Indo China talks.
 

Mohsin77

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Perfectly well said. The amount of confirmation bias and cherry picking used to support ridiculous positions is done by Indians at every level of a discussion whether it is two people conversing about a topic or diplomatic level I'm sure. They will even attack you for some way you chose to use a word. It is absolutely no use to engage in those sorts of dialogues at all.

They are a culture that choose to dwell in the world of imagination and suppositions. False charges, false claims, propelled by repeating mischaracterisations of reality. They choose to believe in a totally different set of how things are despite even some cases where evidence is shown if not being obvious enough without direct evidence shown.

I only hear Indians saying China has no technology industry because they don't see fancy Chinese videos presenting what they want to do. It gets done behind the scenes, it's not shown off, it isn't revealed until it is done but to these people it's all or nothing and they pick and choose as they see fit. Does it not explain why India is a nation much more entrenched in mysticism than almost any other and one that has gone backwards the most in the 21st century? Their leadership problem is top down. Their failures are failures of their leaders to address particularly troublesome aspects of their culture. Everyone has cultural problems and "bad" eggs. They just let the bad eggs take over narratives and influence leadership. It is a set of demagoguery politics. Until these are addressed and they have sensible people taking over policy, they will not be able to resolve conflicts with Pakistan or China. Not even resolve their conflicts with Bangladesh and Nepal despite EXTREMELY favourable political conditions and influence in those two countries.

There are 3 types of Indian supremacists in my view. The least-intelligent ones are your RSS-Wehrmacht inspired idiots (the type of people who assassinated Ghandi.) The 2nd type is like Nehru, a seductive nihilist with no principles, seeking political power. The 3rd type is principled, but still clever and shrewd, like Ghandi. Both the 2nd and 3rd types don't declare their agenda in clear and simple terms to the world, so it can be clearly evaluated. There is a layer of tactical deception on top, and underneath, there is a trap.

Now with that said, Ghandi was actually someone I respect, unlike Nehru or the RSS types. At least Ghandi had some principles that he lived by. I can respect that, even if I disagree with his Hindu-supremacist principles. But even Ghandi was extremely shrewd. People like Martin Luther King didn't understand Ghandi at all. MLK thought Ghandi was a pacifist. But Ghandi is on record saying that: "If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British." While at the same time, Ghandi was also devastated by the bombing on Hiroshima morally. Nevertheless, he would've used nuclear weapons if he had them. Pacifism was just a tactic. He used pacifism because it was the best option he had, not because his principles were pacifistic.

What is also clear, is that as shrewd and clever as some Indian supremacists are, their machinations pale in comparison to the British-Americans. The Indians think they can fool the US and get what they need. But the Anglo-Americans are much smarter and even more ruthless. Just look at Ladakh, where India has been abandoned by the US due to its poor performance, just like they were abandoned after the Balakot episode. The Brits-Americans are the final heirs of the old-Germanic warrior culture. They don't respect the weak. Being devious and clever will not help India.
 

Nobaron

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What are you talking about?
What am i talking about? :mad:
Do you have any sources saying that Jainism is older than Hinduism?
Yes. I have talked to a lot of them, argued with them in different platform.
If so, please post it.
No, Do your own job and find yourself out. Don't ask other to do your work.
Both Jainism and Buddhism are originated from Hinduism.
What?!! :mad::mad:
Hinduism can't even figure out what it is. In southern part of india people don't even recognize veda to be a religious book. Hindus are still poking around indus valley script.
The problem with hindus are, as soon as some big mouth stone is found they will claim it is hindu symbol. There were/are lot of folk religions that have those rituals that includes worshiping statues, earth elements, far far older than even sub continent religion. Gobe tepe found in turkey is 12k years old. Hinduism simply stole & copied it from them.
Hinduism is mishmash of jainism & other folk religion. In fact the concept of worshiping fire is from local zoroas in Iran.
Remember that time when you hindus were about to launch yourself to space when you found something you thought to be lost city of that bluish looking pide piper? Eventually only to fall on earth upside down. :rolleyes:
Buddhism originated from Hinduism? :mad:
Gautam Buddha exclusively rejected anything that was of Hinduism.
Only religion that has some form of root in Hinduism is Sikhism. Modern form of hindusm was invented by Vivekananda :mad:
Chandragupta Maurya was a Hindu when he ruled South Asia. What he practiced after abdicating the throne is irrelevant to this discussion.
No. Chandragupta Maurya never followed hinduism. If you follow the logic that his conversion doesn't matter after abdicating throne, then you have to show he ever followed Hinduism. He born as one doesn't make the cut. Chandragupta was never a hindu. Hindus are desperate to wash away their all time losing streak super natural azz whopping by every major power who did set foot in that direction. A person's faith is what he chooses it to be. What he was due to birth is irrelevant to this discussion.
And Brahmagupta and Arybhata were Indian Hindus living in an Empire run by Indian Hindus. What does that have to do with your Silicon Valley example?
That your mathematician discovered zero.
And they will always be zero until they start working there.
Aren't you so proud to tell others how many Indians working there instead in your own country?
What did you not understand there? :mad::mad:

There is no such thing as Indian hindus,as clearly stated by Dr. Ambedkar.
Hindus opposed independent india & eagerly served as servant of their British masters as part of British Raj. Even throughout Bengal their history as agent of British is well known.

As long as that part of history isn't set straight, India will continue to be what it is.
We will settle the score, but first, let's see how you do serve your British rebranded as american masters this time.
But rest assured, we will not allow 51st state of The United States here among us. :mad:

Btw, you aren't trying to get me banned with your circus, are you? Concentrate on this
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India’s chief economic advisor Krishnamurthy Subramanian hit back at the International Monetary Fund for downgrading the country’s growth projection, saying it’s “significantly off the mark.”
Ain't this cute?
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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tallgamer

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There are 3 types of Indian supremacists in my view. The least-intelligent ones are your RSS-Wehrmacht inspired idiots (the type of people who assassinated Ghandi.) The 2nd type is like Nehru, a seductive nihilist with no principles, seeking political power. The 3rd type is principled, but still clever and shrewd, like Ghandi. Both the 2nd and 3rd types don't declare their agenda in clear and simple terms to the world, so it can be clearly evaluated. There is a layer of tactical deception on top, and underneath, there is a trap.

Now with that said, Ghandi was actually someone I respect, unlike Nehru or the RSS types. At least Ghandi had some principles that he lived by. I can respect that, even if I disagree with his Hindu-supremacist principles. But even Ghandi was extremely shrewd. People like Martin Luther King didn't understand Ghandi at all. MLK thought Ghandi was a pacifist. But Ghandi is on record saying that: "If we had the atom bomb, we would have used it against the British." While at the same time, Ghandi was also devastated by the bombing on Hiroshima morally. Nevertheless, he would've used nuclear weapons if he had them. Pacifism was just a tactic. He used pacifism because it was the best option he had, not because his principles were pacifistic.

What is also clear, is that as shrewd and clever as some Indian supremacists are, their machinations pale in comparison to the British-Americans. The Indians think they can fool the US and get what they need. But the Anglo-Americans are much smarter and even more ruthless. Just look at Ladakh, where India has been abandoned by the US due to its poor performance, just like they were abandoned after the Balakot episode. The Brits-Americans are the final heirs of the old-Germanic warrior culture. They don't respect the weak. Being devious and clever will not help India.
Gandhi and nehru each spent around 20 years in various types of confinement during the freedom struggle against the British.
Jinnah spent a total of ZERO days in jail(Google it)though he was supposedly involved in the freedom struggle. He was just a stooge of the British bent on keeping their influence in the subcontinent intact with establishment of a new country , after being kicked out of undivided India.
Your respect means nothing to our freedom fighters.
 
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