Ladakh Flash Point
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India never purchased S-300?
solarz
Brigadier
One of those 'weirdos' is ruling India right now. Not exactly a fringe movement.
Here are some Indian sources:
Not sure what this proves. Indian media is as good if not less credible than those western media posted before. My suggestion would be, instead of going by media, get view on ground if possible. Not youtube,not social media, not internet medium, go & physically spend some time on ground.
He is weirdo ruling a weird country based on fantasy that is waiting to implode. So yes, it fits.
And I suppose you're that man on the ground whose word I should trust over all the papers... In other words, you literally just rejected all sources which disagree with your position, provided zero sources to back up your claim, and basically told me to take your word for it.
Okay, I'm done with you. Stop pinging me.
Zool
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No, S-300 systems were never purchased by India. S-400 is on order, no deliveries anytime soon though.
What SAM systems do India have?
Zool
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These closest system to S-300 in range that India operates currently is a version of S-200.
India operates a mix of short to medium range Russian, Israeli and indigenous systems out to about 30 miles.
A national integrated ADS is a missing piece in Indian defense. S-400 will be a big step towards this.
I think there’s a bigger picture here. China’s made the strategic choice to pressure India in response to the Indian tilt towards America e.g. the Quad, US and Australian military interoperability deals, restriction on Chinese investment, Indian salami slicing along the border in Kashmir, etc.
Strategically, the Chinese are looking to force India towards neutrality re US-China, or face economic ruin.
It actually reminds me a bit of the sino Vietnamese border conflicts in the 80s. Military pressure on a weaker, growth-starved adversary, forcing the weaker side to expend money they don’t have on military operations instead of on the infrastructure and economy.
And, in my opinion, the timing seems very opportune. India currently has hundreds of thousands of troops bogged down in its Kashmir occupation, in addition to the massive resources needed to man the LOC with Pakistan. This year there’s going to be huge economic damage from India’s COVID mishandling, add the locust invasions and assorted climate change disasters, add the necessity for India to grow at double digit growth rates to feed its “population dividend,” - and on top of all that, you add border conflict with China? Remember, the Chinese Indian border is longer than the Pakistan Indian border. That’s a lot of expensive engagements for a developing economy, let alone a shrinking one. International financial institutions like the IMF are already forecasting big negative Indian growth rates this year, and they might be optimistic.
Developing countries post WW2 in Europe, countries like Japan, Korea, and China all drastically cut military spending to finance infrastructure and economic growth. Back when China was at India’s level economically, China had low military spending and double digit economic growth rates. Now, India’s looking at the opposite - shrinking GDP growth with elevated spending requirements. An economically dominant China is looking to force India to either politically concede, or face an untenable arms race.
That’s why I think the Chinese side maintains its border posture yet is so tight lipped. It serves Chinese interests to continue the current non-shooting pressurized status quo. Every day Indian forces surge to maintain these high-altitude borders is another day their economy is starved of desperately needed development funds.
Strategically, the Chinese are looking to force India towards neutrality re US-China, or face economic ruin.
It actually reminds me a bit of the sino Vietnamese border conflicts in the 80s. Military pressure on a weaker, growth-starved adversary, forcing the weaker side to expend money they don’t have on military operations instead of on the infrastructure and economy.
And, in my opinion, the timing seems very opportune. India currently has hundreds of thousands of troops bogged down in its Kashmir occupation, in addition to the massive resources needed to man the LOC with Pakistan. This year there’s going to be huge economic damage from India’s COVID mishandling, add the locust invasions and assorted climate change disasters, add the necessity for India to grow at double digit growth rates to feed its “population dividend,” - and on top of all that, you add border conflict with China? Remember, the Chinese Indian border is longer than the Pakistan Indian border. That’s a lot of expensive engagements for a developing economy, let alone a shrinking one. International financial institutions like the IMF are already forecasting big negative Indian growth rates this year, and they might be optimistic.
Developing countries post WW2 in Europe, countries like Japan, Korea, and China all drastically cut military spending to finance infrastructure and economic growth. Back when China was at India’s level economically, China had low military spending and double digit economic growth rates. Now, India’s looking at the opposite - shrinking GDP growth with elevated spending requirements. An economically dominant China is looking to force India to either politically concede, or face an untenable arms race.
That’s why I think the Chinese side maintains its border posture yet is so tight lipped. It serves Chinese interests to continue the current non-shooting pressurized status quo. Every day Indian forces surge to maintain these high-altitude borders is another day their economy is starved of desperately needed development funds.
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