Kosovo's independence appears imminent

Vlad Plasmius

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Kosovo's leaders said Monday they would embark on immediate talks on independence from Serbia and EU nations backed their cause as a UN deadline ended for a negotiated settlement.

"From today, Kosovo is starting intense consultations with its international partners with the aim of coordinating steps for declaring independence, and the official demands for recognising independence," said Skender Hyseni of the Kosovo Albanian negotiating team.

Several thousand Kosovo Albanian youths demonstrated in the provincial capital Pristina to press their leaders to follow through with promises for statehood -- which the ethnic Albanian majority has been pressing for since a brutal Serbian crackdown in 1999.

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The agreement in the EU seems almost unanimous:

'We are trying to organize a strong, cohesive, unified position (on Kosovo) within the EU. We still have more steps to make during the next weeks,' said Portuguese Foreign Minister Luis Amado, whose country holds the rotating presidency of the EU until December 31.

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While many in Kosovo want independence immediately the leadership has made remarks suggesting this will not be the case and several media outlets have instead suggested January 2008 for a time when Kosovo could be recognized. Disturbingly this would coincide with an apparent consideration by the Duma of recognition for Abkhazia and South Ossetia, possibly even Transnistria:

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In addition there is a statement from Azerbaijan:

Azerbaijan is prepared to hold anti-terror operations against the placement of armed divisions of the Kurdish Worker Party (PKK) in Nagorno-Karabakh, Araz Azimov, the Azerbaijani Deputy Foreign Minister and Azerbaijani President’s special representative for Nagorno-Karabakh, said in talks with journalists on 10 December.

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Of course, Turkey has recently been making a fuss about the PKK and Azerbaijan has traditionally had good ties with Turkey. While it could be taken this is in good faith towards Turkey, it is much more likely this is a cover for Azerbaijan to allow them to intervene against Nagorno-Karabakh, which they fear could declare independence given a Kosovo precedent. Even more disturbing is this exercise carried out months ago by the U.S. military:

When the Army was firming up plans for its force of the future, it needed to invade and occupy a country in its war games, to model how all the new tanks, robots, and fighting vehicles might perform. That country, oddly enough, was Azerbaijan.

Observers give different reasons for why Azerbaijan was picked for the simulated invasion. Some say the country's varied terrain provided an excellent testing ground for the Army's $200 billion "Future Combat Systems." Others believe that the U.S. "now faces a new reality embodied in the Caspian Sea scenario," centered in Azerbaijan. No one suggests that the country is in any imminent danger of American attack.

The Caspian Sea scenario is not about fighting in the Caspian Sea area, but is all about the next most dangerous situation U.S. forces are likely to face. In many ways, it follows the 1950-53 Korean War scenario. Country A (South Korea) is attacked by Country B (North Korea). The U.S. comes to the assistance of Country A. The thrust of the scenario is how does the U.S. enter the battle area and build-up sufficient forces to achieve its national goals. The scenario is further complicated by Country C (China), which threatens to enter the conflict, especially during the buildup phase when the U.S. is most vulnerable.

While the author suggests Country C is Iran, the pictures of the troop movements suggests this is not the case as one major push comes from the south and another from Georgia. Also, in one image there is a stated need for "hasty defense" and this position is taken near Nagorno-Karabakh:

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This most likely suggest a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia and country C is Russia, who would almost assuredly threaten to intervene in the event of a conflict between the other two nations, especially if this was in the context of a broader conflict between Russia and nations such as Georgia and Moldova.

How Turkey would react to such strong support for Azerbaijan reacting against the PKK, even when their motives are clearly not to go after the PKK, but Karabakh depends on the U.S. If the U.S. supports Azerbaijan, but tells Turkey to restrain itself, it could create problem and bring further pressure on Erdogan's government from the opposition, military, and general population.

This could all also have consequence in Taiwan. They're set for a Legislative election in January and a presidential election in March. Kosovo getting independence and being recognized by the U.S. could inflame nationalist outrage leading to support for the DPP in both elections, which, if they should also get support for the U.N. referendum, could draw in China against Taiwan.

Any outcome in Kosovo is likely to be bad, however the reaction will most likely be far worse.
 

Vlad Plasmius

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The deadline may be sooner now:

The European Union (EU) will promptly recognize Kosovo’s independence in case of its unilateral proclamation by Pristina, Wolfgang Ischinger, a German diplomat who represented EU in the group of three international mediators (Russia, the United States, EU) at the talks between Serbia and Kosovo Albanians on the future status of Kosovo, said on Monday in an interview with Radio Berlin Brandenburg broadcasting station.

According to Ischinger, EU will reach agreement on the problem within a few days. A number of preconditions will be put forward before the recognition of Kosovo’s independence, including the observance of the law on guarantees of the rights of national minorities and the adoption of the already drafted constitution, he continued.

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If this is true and they really are headed towards an agreement in a few days, it basically means the deadline for independence will be left up to Kosovo:

Kosovo President Fatmir Sejdiu on Tuesday designated the former rebel leader Hashim Thaci to head the new government of Serbia's breakaway province.

Sejdiu urged Thaci to forge a government coalition 'as soon as possible.'

Thaci's Democratic Party of Kosovo won 37 of 120 seats in the Kosovo assembly, ahead of likely partners in the anticipated grand coalition, Sejdiu's Democratic League of Kosovo (LDK), with 25 seats.

Thaci immediately launched coalition talks with the LDK, as well as with the third-placed Alliance New Kosovo (AKR), with 13 seats.

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This could mean the only real determining factor will be how quickly Kosovo can form a government. That could be only a matter of days as well, perhaps a week or two at most.
 

Gollevainen

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In theory the idea of "one nation- one country" or at least that every nation should have right for selfgovern is good, but in most cases its not so simple. In fact if you look the bigger picture, the situations where single nation exist in rather united area, they all are practically solved (eg. independecne)

Today there's only left with the troupled situations in which the Balkan is one of the worse.
Basicly in nutshell in the area of former Yugoslavia, there is dozen or so nationalities which hardly none are situated in sinlge isolated piece of land. They are all disperenced around the whole Balkan penisula and often small areas have alot of different nationalities living side-by-side and mixed so badly that no meaningfull borders could be drawn.

So altough in principle the Albans in Kosovo should have the right to govern themselves, but what you do with the serbs living there? Doesen't they have ythe right for their own rule? Or if you expand the spectrum, why doesen't the large serb population in Bosnia-Hertsegivia have right for their own country?
Unfortunetly the western powers have sofar done nothnig but bad, hasty and misthinked solutions based mainly to quite naive and shallow "lets support everyone else than serbs" type of thinking which led to the bloodshed in the region during the 90's. Now witht he blind support to Albanians in the expense of serbs another bloodbath is in the pipeline.

If Kosovo declears independence, I doupt that Serbia would react directly by military means, they cannot risk another civilian infrastructure catastrophe as in 1999. But there might be more or less undirect actions. Pretty soon the independence-demands starts to rise in Srpska republic in Bosnia and the mainland serbs will support that propapbly by arms. And here we go again...:(
 

Vlad Plasmius

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If Serbia intervenes in Kosovo they'll most likely do so on the basis of defending Serbs, particular in the northern region of Serbia. Also if Albanian communities in Serbia begin taking action at trying to join up with Kosovo, Serbia could use that as a justification.

Obviously they won't be able to do much in Kosovo because of NATO forces, however, I think there are less troops in the Serb region so they may focus efforts there.
 

Vlad Plasmius

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Some more info on what's going on:

Kosovo will declare its independence in the first two months of 2008 and will be recognized by Britain, France, Italy and Germany within 48 hours, under a plan to be proposed by Slovenia after it assumes the presidency of the European Union in January, senior EU officials said Wednesday.

The officials described a carefully orchestrated declaration of independence, probably after Serbian elections in early February, followed by a welcome from the EU and diplomatic recognition by Europe's biggest nations.

More groups of countries will then recognize an independent Kosovo in a rolling series of announcements, led by the United States, the officials said. Washington would be followed by Switzerland, Iceland and Norway before another group made up of Turkey, Macedonia, Albania Montenegro, Croatia and Slovenia joined in. The 56 members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference would follow suit.

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Honestly, I have a feeling this idea is a little overly hopeful. For one I doubt Turkey would recognize Kosovo because they have a problem with security of the Turks in Kosovo and obviously there's the Kurdish issue, which right now is particularly inflammatory. Also, not every nation in the Organization of the Islamic Conference would recognize Kosovo. Azerbaijan and Morocco in particular come to mind. They would be negatively impacted by Kosovo's independence in a rather direct manner. Also, I think Syria, Iran, Indonesia and Sudan would be reluctant either because of ties to Serbia or having their own rebel regions seeking independence.

Aiming for 45 nations would be optimistic even.

Here's some more information on the possibility of this spreading into conflict:

Serbia opened a new government office in Mitrovica, Kosovo, on Dec. 10, the same day UN-mediated negotiations over Kosovo's status expired without a solution. The Serbian move to reinforce its claim on a city that hangs precariously between peace and conflict just as international diplomacy has stalled comes as thousands of protesters began gathering in Pristina to call for Kosovo's independence.

If Kosovo declares independence unilaterally, the potential Serbian backlash might involve a conflict with NATO's peacekeeping task force, KFOR. If so, Mitrovica and northern Kosovo will see the worst of the violence.

On the surface, opening new Serbian government office in northern Kosovo sounds like routine administration. The Serbian government provides many public services to ethnic Serbs living in Kosovo, who do not trust Kosovo's semiautonomous regional services run by ethnic Albanians. The Serbian minister who cut the ribbon at the office's opening Dec. 10 said the new office was meant to "intensify" these public services. But U.N. spokesman Alexander Ivanko called the opening "a provocative act," and questioned the motive for greater Serbian presence in Kosovo at this time.

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It is reported that the authorities of the breakaway region of Abkhazia have increased a security measures and launched mass raids in the breakaway region.

According to existed data, about 250 militiamen of the de facto interior ministry together with the servicemen of the Russian peacekeeping forces have been involved in raids.

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Rabat urged the United Nations on Wednesday to stop leaders of Western Sahara's independence movement Polisario from holding a congress at which they will propose preparing to resume war with Morocco.

The planned congress in the disputed territory threatens the stability of the Maghreb and next month's talks between the two sides, the Moroccan government said in a letter to the U.N. secretary general published in Moroccan state media.

Polisario's national secretariat will put the proposal to prepare for war to a vote at a congress to be held on December 14-16 in the Polisario-controlled outpost of Tifariti, Polisario official Mohamed Beissat said in a Reuters interview on Monday.

If adopted, it would be the first time in 16 years that preparations for war had been part of Polisario strategy.

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There was a thread on this forum a while back talking about Ethiopia and Eritrea so I'm curious how this could affect Somaliland:

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Recognition of Somaliland could lead to a massive confrontation between Ethiopia and Eritrea, including proxy wars in Somalia.
 

Finn McCool

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So now that Kosovo is independent, it seems inevitable that we will see some violence in the new nation. The distrust between Serbs and Albanians is simply too great. Whether or not it proves to be a more long-term situation or is nipped in the bud remains to be seen. Does anyone else find it likely that Russia will order (for lack of a better word) Abkhazia and South Ossetia to breakway from Georgia as retaliation?
 

bd popeye

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I just saw a bunch of photos of violence by Serbs in Kosovo protesting the new indpendence. I do not pretend to understand the whole situation. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

I would not be surprised to see more countries in the region to be ethnically divided.
 
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I do not pretend to understand the hwole situation.

In a very brief explanation, it's a case of:

Young men + nationalism

v.

Young men + nationalism

Either by itself is rarely a healthy mix, but together it's a bomb waiting to go off.
 
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