Kirov Class CGN in 1/350 scale

The Russian Kirov Class nuclear powered Battlecruisers:
The Kirov Class nuclear battle cruisers are the largest non-aircraft carrier, surface combatant warships built since World war II. They were envioined in the USSR (Soviet Union) as the answer tod eveloping powerful surface action groups that could cointend with, hunt down, and sink American aircraft carrier battle groups. These vessels were meant to be the centerpiece of such groups, and were menat to have the aint-air (aircraft and missile) defenses necessary to protect themselves along with other vessles in their group, from US Navy aircraft and missile attack. They were also menat to carry enough offensive missile capability to attack and overwhelm US carrier battle group defenses.

The official Russian designation of these ships is "heavy nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser", but because of their size and general appearance, the ships are referred to as battlecruisers in western media.

These are large vessels, each displacing 28,000 tons, over 825 feet long, a 94 foot beam and a draft of 30 feet.They carry a crew of over 700 personnel.

Kirov class vessels' main offensive weapons consist of twenty P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) missiles mounted in vertical launch cells on the fore deck. These missiles were designed to engage large surface targets, like aircraft carriers. They have a range pf pover 300 miles, can travel up to Mach 2.5, and carry either a 1,700 pound conventional warhead, or a small 500kt tactical nuclear warhead.

Air defenses for the Kirovs varies according to ship, but generally consists of a main battery of twelve octuple S-300F launchers with 96 missiles. These missiles have a range of aprroximately 200 miles. Alos, generally a a pair of Osa-MA batteries with 20 missiles each are icnluded. Close in defenses are provided by 30mm AK-630 CIWS systems and Kashtin hybrid gun and missile CIWS systems.

The ships had some differences in other weapons suites: Kirov came with SS-N-14 ASW missiles, while on subsequent ships these were replaced with 9K331 Tor SAM systems. The Tor installation is in fact mounted further forward of the old SS-N-14 mounting, in the structure directly behind the blast shield for the bow mounted RBU ASW rocket launcher. Kirov and Frunze had eight 30 mm (1.2 in) AK-630 close-in weapon systems, while later vessels were mixed the Kashtan air-defence system in with the AK-603 weapons.

The main guns consists of an automatic, twin 130 mm (5.1 in) AK-130 DP gun mounted aft on all vessels except the Kirov, which had two 100mm main, DP guns. The vessels also include ten 21-inch (533-mm) torpedo/missile tubes capable of firing torpedos or the SS-N-15 ASW missile, and Udav-1 with 40 anti-submarine rockets in two sextuple RBU-1000 launchers.

Four vessels were built and put in service with the Soviet and then Russian Navy:

- Kirov, later named Admiral Ushakov was laid down in March 1974, launched in December 1977, and commissioned on December 1980.
- Frunze, later named Admiral Lazarev, was laid down in July 1976, launched in May, 1981, and commissioned in October 1984.
- Kalinin, later named Admiral Nahkimov, was laid down in July 1983, launched in March 1986, and commissioned in December 1988.
- Yuri Adnropov, later named Petr Velikiy, was laid down in March 1986, launched in April 1989, and commissioned in April 1998. The fall of the Soviet Union and its economic bankruptcy delayed the commissioning of this last vessel.

Another vessel was laid down, but never completed. After the fall of the Soviet Union, all three completed vessels were soon laid up, and progress on the outfitting of the fourth, the Petr Velikiy, languished for many years, but she was ultimately completed with more modern weapons and sensors than her three sisters.

That fourth vessel is currently the only active Kirov class cruiser, which is the subject of this model and also the current Flagship of Russia's Northern fleet. The third vessel is currently undergoing modernization and is scheduled to be completed in 2016 or 2017 and back in service in 2018 as the Flagship of the Russian Pacific Fleet. The first two vessels are currently laid up and have not been maintained for many years. They are not likely to be modernized and put back into service.

The Petr Velikiy, CGN 099:
As stated, the Petr Velikiy is the single active Kirov Class nuclear battlecruiser currently serving with the Russian Navy and is the flagship of the Russian Northern Fleet in Severomorsk.

Since her commissioning in 1998, she has been on a number of deployments:

August 2000 Russian Exerciese:
In August 2000 Petr Velikiy was involved in the exercises in the Barents Sea which were the largest naval training exercise since the fall of the Soviet Union. The ship was to be the designated target of the Oscar-II class submarine K-141 Kursk, and was conducting evasive maneuvers when communication with Kursk was lost after one of her otrpedos exploded, resulting in sympathetic explosions which sank the submarine with all hands lost. Petr Velikiy remained in the area until salvage operations could raise the vessel in 2001.

In March 2004, Russian Navy chief Admiral Vladimir Kuroyedov declared Petr Velikiy unfit for service due to problems with the ship's engineering maintenance. On April 19, 2004, she was docked in the floating drydock PD-50 for examination of her steering system and to paint the underside of the hull. Repairs were identified and completed, and she was once again operational by August 2004.

September 2008- Mrch 2009:
In 2008-2009 Petr Velikiy made a six month deployment to the Carribean and then to Africa and the INdian Ocean, returning by way of Somalia. In the Caribbean Sea she would participate in naval exercises with the Venezuelan Navy, along with the destroyer Admiral Chabanenko and other support ships. This action represented the first major Russian show of force in that sea since the end of the Cold War. She left her homeport of Severomorsk on September 22, 2008 with the destroyer Admiral Chabanenko, and on October 22, 2008, made a port visit to Aksaz Karagac, Turkey. On November 6–9, 2008 the nuclear cruiser and Admiral Chabanenko made a port visit to Toulon, France, before departing the Mediterranean on November 10, 2008, passing through the Strait of Gibraltar.

She arrived in La Guaira, Venezuela on November 25, 2008, coincident with a visit by Russian President Medvedev . The combined exercises, VENRUS-200, occurred with the Venezuelan Navy on December 1–2, 2008. After finishing those exercises, Petr Velikiy crossed the Atlantic alone, and on January 11, 2009, the chief of the Russian General Staff announced that Petr Velikiy and six other Russian warships would participate in a joint naval exercise with the Indian Navy later the same month. On the way to India, the Kirov-class cruiser made a three-day visit to Cape Town, South Africa. Petr Velikiy lthen sailed to the port of Mormugao in the Indian state of Goa. After a two-day visit that included a naval exercise with the Indian guided-missile destroyer INS Delhi, Petr Velikiy joined other warships from the Russian navy and conducted the INDRA-2009 exercises.

On the way home, off of Somalia, on February 12, 2009, the Petr Velikiy captured 10 pirates in three boats off the coast of Somalia. Finally, on March 10, 2009 Petr Velikiy returned to its homeport of Severomorsk, ending her six-month deployment

March-September 2010:
On March 30, 2010 Petr Velikiy left the Severomorsk for another six-month deployment. She passed through the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea before entering the Indian Ocean via the Suez Canal. In the Indian Ocean the Cruiser conducted maneuvers with other Russian warships from the Black Sea Fleet. On April 14 the Petr Velikiy visited the Mediterranean port of Tartus in Syria. Syria was considering making Tartus a permanent base for Russian warships in the Middle East.

In early May 2010 Petr Velikiy rendezvoued with the Russian Slava Class missile cruiser, Moskva in the South China Sea. There they conducted joint exercises and held a traditional farewell ceremony on May 5. The two vessels are due to arrive in Russia's Far Eastern port of Vladivostok to take part in the Vostok-2010 large-scale strategic exercises. On 29 September Petr Velikiy returned to its home port after six months at sea where had covered a total of over 28,000 nautical miles since starting the mission that March 30.

2013 Syrian-Med Deployment:
In 2013, as a result of the Syrian civil war and crisis, the Petr Velikiy was ordered into the area to sho wupport for the Syrian government and as a show of force to the United states and other of its allies who were about to launch missiles at Syria because of alleged use of Chemical weapons. Ultimately an agreement was reached for the US, Russia, Syria and italy, assisted by Denmark, Norway, and China, to gather Syria's chemical weapons and have them destroyed. Petr Velikiy assisted in this plan, acting as escort to the cargo vessels carrying the wepaons out of Syria.

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Petr Velikiy is the most modern of all of the Kirov class nuclear powered battlecruisers. Her sister ship, the Admiral Nahkimov, is currently being modernized to a similar standard. As such, they are likely to become the only two surviving Kirov class battlecruisers in servce, and will remain in service for upwards of 40 more years. Their specifications include:

Displacement: 28,000 tons (full)
Length: 827 ft.
Beam: 94 ft.
Draft: 30 ft.
Speed: 32 knots
Propulsion:
2 x CONAS, Nuclear propulsion with steam turbine boost
4 x shafts, 140,000 shp
Crew: 710
Armament:
- 20 x P-700 Granit (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) anti-ship missiles
- 01 x twin 130mm AK-130/L70 dual purpose gun
- 12 x 8 (96) S-300PMU Favorit (SA-N-6 Grumble) surface-to-air missiles
- 16 x 8 (128) 3K95 "Kinzhal" (SA-N-9) surface-to-air missiles
- 44 x OSA-MA (SA-N-4 Gecko) PD SAM
- 06 x Kashtan (CADS-N-1) point defense gun/missile system (w/4 30mm guns & 8 missiles each)
- 02 x 12 RBU-1000 (Smerch-3) 305 mm ASW rocket launchers
- 02 x 10 RBU-12000 (Udav-1) 254 mm ASW rocket launchers
- 10 x 533 mm ASW/ASuW torpedo tubes, Type 53 torpedo or SS-N-15 ASW missile
Armour: 76 mm plating around reactor compartment, light splinter protection
Aircraft: 3 Ka-27 "Helix" or Ka-25 "Hormone" ASW helicopters with a Below-deck hangar

Introduction and what's in the box:
This is a large 1/350 scale vessel produced by Trumpeter. As with all of their newer vessels (last 6-8 years) it is well aportioned. The parts are highly detailed, with a lot of small, fine, injection molded plastic parts that you will have to be careful with in terms of taking them off of the sprue and handling them. Very little flash or molding errorts with these parts...and there are a lot of them. Many of these are good enough to not need photo etch metal parts, although those parts are available and I do have a Gold Metal Model's Kirov class PE set I have purchased for the railings and other sensors not included or shown with the model, and for the parts I would rather replace.

The model is big, almost 30" long and it is very detailed.

When you open the box the first thing you notice is that the hull is in a large, single piece (that is for the major portion of the hull). It's not in two halves, it doesn't have an upper and lower portion, and there is no waterline version of this vessel possible unless you cut the hull at the waterline yourself.

Now, there are numerous parts that attach to the hull...but more on that later as we build.

You also see a portion of the box that is literally full of parts on plastic sprues, and one photo etch sprue, though there is a large section of the main deck that is a standalone part too.

There are fifteen plastic sprues. Twelve of them are molded in gray, while two are modled in clear plastic, and one is molded in clear and black plastic. Altogether there are over 750 parts included with the model.

The photo etch sprue contains 26 parts which are made up mostly of sensors, some safety netting, and the landing pad mesh for the helicopters. As I said, I have purchased Gold Metal Model's Kirov class PE set specifically for the 1/350 scale Trumpeter Kirov class cruisers, which gives all of the railing, other equipment, more sensors, and improves on the sensors provided by Trumpeter.

There is a very decent, 24 page instruction booklet with easy to follow, intuitive instruction about assembling the model. In addtion, the water-sldie decals are on a single sheet and include 54 decals for marking the vessel.

Finally, there is a full-color painting scheme for the vessel showing the vessel in three views in full color, showing where all the decals go and showing the paint colors for the model, called out in several supplier's part numbers.

Here is the box and it's contents:


Here is the paint scheme and the decals sheet:


This looks like a very fun and detailed build. I have been waiting some time to put her together. She will be joined later by 1/350 sclae models of a Slava Class cruiser, a Udaloy class destroyer, a Soveremenny Class destroyer and an Akula II class nuclear attack submarine. I have already nuilt the new Russian Yasen class nuclear attack class submarine for this group. And of course, they will all be escorting the 1/350 scale Kuznetsov aircraft carrier for the Russians which will be the center pieces of this powerful carrier group.


The first thing I did was to assemble the several pieces necessary for outfitting the hull. This included the large bow sonar and other sonars and sensors along the hull, as well as stabilzor fins. it also included the shafts, shaft supports and the rudders.

The parts went together very well, with just some xacto knife and minor sanding to get any residual from the sprues off of the parts.


Then I began masking off and painting the hull. This involved insiginia red for the lower hull below the wterline, a white waterline stripe (which I have not completed yet and am considering a test run using thin, white vinyl tape), and the upper hull portions in a darker gray, which is called out as a Barley Gray for Tamiya and Humbrol colors which I do not have, but which is a very close match, surprisingly enough, for the Model Master Primer Gray that I do have...so I am painting all of the vertical surfaces for my Russian ships in that color.


In the next session I will get the waterline mark on the vessel and also get all of the main deck appropriately painted and detailed somewhat.


- By Feb 31, 2014, Start the Russian Carrier Group centerd on Trumpeter's Kuznetsov with a CGN, a CG, and a DDG.
- By Apr 31, 2014, Start the US Navy Amphibious Ready Group centered on the Gallery USS Wasp with an LHD, an LPD, a DDG, a SSN and two LCS.
- By Jul 31, 2014, Start the PLAN Amphibious Ready Group centered on the Trumpeter Type 071 LPD-999, with a FFG, and three DDGs.
- By Sep 31, 2014 Go back and start fleshing out the rest of the DDG and FFG escorts for each CSG and ARG group.

The completion of the PLAN Carrier group, centered on the already completed , (in addition to the other escorts already completed) included Mini Hobby's's PLAN Guangzhou, DDG-168. I recently pre-ordered a 1/350 scale model of the PLAN Type 071 LPD, Yuzhao Class, announced by Trumpeter and due out in October, 2013. I will end up adding two of those, propbably LPD-998 Yuzhao and LPD-999, Jinggangshan, add the PLAN- DDG-139, Ningbo, and the PLAN DDG-115, Shenyang, along with the PLAN Weifang, FFG-550 and thus build a PLAN ARG.

The completion of the US Carrier Strike group, centered on the completed , (in addition ot the other escorts already completed) included Trumpeter's, USS Freedom, LCS-1, Dragon's USS Preble, DDG-88 and Hobby Boss's USS Texas, SSN-775. When a 1/350 scale USS Enterprise, CVN-80 (or any Gerald R. Ford Class) is released from Trumpeter, Tamiya, Dragon, or whomever else, I will add it to this group along with another AEGIS Cruiser. Whichever Ford Class coms out in 1/350 scale, I will build it as the USS Enterprise, CVN-80.

The US ARG will include (which I have already completed), Trumpeter's 1/350 scale USS Iwo Jima LHD-7, Gallery's 1/350 scale USS Sommerset, LPD-25, Bronco Models 1/350 Scale USS New York, LPD-21, Cyber Hobby's USS Independence, LCS-2, Acadamy's 1/350 scale USS Rueben James, FFG-57, and another Flight IIA US AEGIS class detroyer based on Trumpeter's 1/350 scale USS Lassen, DDG-82...all of these models which I already own.

The UK Group is (as shown) featuring the Airfix 1/350 scale HMS Illustrious as its centerp[iece until a 1/350 scale Queen Elizabeth carrier is released. When that happens, I will add that carrier to the group as its centerpiece. The Royal Navy CSG will also include two Airfix 1/350 scale Daring Class DDGs (one of which is already completed), two Trumpeter 1/350 scale Type 23 HMS Duke class Frigates (one of which is already completed), and the Hobby Boss 1/350 scale HMS Astute SSN (which is also already completed) and Airfix 1/350 scale HMS Tragalgar SSN. One day, when a 1/350 scale HMS Ocean LPD come out, I will use tt to start building a Royal Navy ARG.

The French CSG is centered on Heller's 1/400 scale . I have purchased the 1/400 scale Heller French De Grasse, D612 DDG, which is an ASW DDG, the French Duquesne, D603 DDG which is an anti-air multi-purpose DDG, and the French Aconit F713 FFG and Guepratte F714 FFGs, both of which are Lafayette class frigates. These five vessels will round out my French CSG. As soon as a French Robin class nuclear sub, like the French Perale S606 SSN is released in 1/350 or 1/400 scale, I will add that to the group. Also as soon as the Forbin D620, Horizon class anti-air DDG is released in 1/350 or 1/400 scale, I will purchase two of them and replace the De Grrasse and Duquesne with them, and then save those two for when a Mistral Class LPD is released in 1/350 or 1/400 scale so I can create a French ARG with those vessels.

The Japanese JMSDF group will be centered on Fujimi's very finely detailed, 1/350 scale Hyuga, DDH-181, which I own. It will be escorted by Trumpeter's 1/350 scale DDG-177, Atago, an AEGIS class DDG and the JMSDF, DDG-174, Kongo class (which I own), Trumpeters's 1/350 scale DDG-114 Susunami and DDG-111 (both of which are Takinami Class DDGs which I own), and by the 1/350 scale SS-503 Hakuryu (which I own), one of Japans new, very modern and capable AIP Diesel Electric submarines. As soon as a DDG-115 Akizuki in 1/350 scale is released, I will add it to this group. Should a 1/350 scale Osumi Class LPD be relased, I will buy two of those vessels and create a JMSDF ARG.

Then, finally it will be a complete Russian CSG (centered on Trumpeter's Kuznetsov which I own) the Russian Kirov Class nuclear battle cruiser (CGN), the Peter the Great, by Trumpeter (which I own), the Russian Slava Class cruiser, Varyag by Trumperter (which I own), two Trumpeter 1/350 scale Udaloy DDGs (which I own), Hobby Boss's Akula II class SSN (which I own), and the new Yasen class Russian SSN (which I own), all in 1/350 scale. Some time in the more distant future when a 1/350 scale Russian version of the French Mistral class comes out (which is building in real life right now), I will add two of those and build a Russian ARG.

Recently I purchased Heller's 1/400 scale Foch, the Clemceau Class carrier that was sold to the Brazilians in 2000 and in 2002 was refitted and became the Brazilian CV, Sao Paulo, using steam catapaults. I will build the model as the Sao Paulo and thus start a Brazilian group, though the Type 22 DDGs and the FFGs the Brazilians use are not available at present. I have however purchased a set of 1/400 scale A-4 Skyhawks and S-3 Trackers to build a suitable airwing for the Sao Paulo.

Then, again, once the models are available, I'd like to build an Italian Carrier Strike Group centered on the Cavour and their Horizon DDGs, a Spanish Carrier Strike Group centered on the Juan Carlos and their F-100 AEGIS FFGs, and ultimatly an Australian Strike Group centered on the new Canberra Class LPD and the Hobart class AEGIS DDGs. If they ever build the models, an Indian Carrier Strike Group centered on either the Vikramaditya or their new ADS Carrier, the Vikrant, and their Kolkata class DDGs and Shivlak class FFGs would also be nice.

Years more worth of work!

You can see all of these actual carriers, read their histories and specifictions at my site:



...and most of their surface escorts at:

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Wow, incredible details on this one!

Okay, so I decided to give some of that white vinyl pin stripe tape a go for the white waterline mark on this vessel. It comes in a single role, 72" long, with several widths included. I figure I cna use thois for the Petr Velikiy, the Slava cruiser, VAryag, and the Udaly and Sovremmeny class DDGs, all with one roll...that is, if it works out alright.

So far it is looking good. I will need a little flat white touch-up paint at some of the joints at the bow and on the stern, but otherwise is looking very good.


Then it was time to complete painting the main deck. This involved the weatehr deck painting I am using, which is a mixture between Testors Flat Brown, and MOdel MAster Insignia Red. Did not end up with quite enough brown/orange, but it look pretty good just the same. Also used my Model Master Prime Gray for the verticval surfaces and the missile hatches. Quite a bit of detail painting work to get that right...and then the helo landing pad for Russia is a flat, dark green.

Once that was done, I let them dry and then glued the forward decks to the vessel, including one vertical wall between the helo deck and the main deck. I waited on the helo pad until getting the hanger completed. As a note, after researching this online, I have found that there are a number of changes that have been made in equipment arrangement on the decks of the Petr Velikiy since this model was made. Some of them are fairly straight forward and I will make them...others, more involved, which would require some soignificant alterations to some of the superstructure I will probably leave as is.

While the other decks dried in place, I assembled the helo hanger, and left one end open below decks with and extension to the hanger deck so I could show a KA-25 ASW helo partially onto the elevator, while I show another on deck. The helo hanger walls are pinted in flat-white. Once all of that dried, I glued it onto the stern helo deck and then added that to the vessel as well.

I also then assembled the main gun, which is a twin-barrel, rapid-fire, 130mm naval cannon that is a dual purpose weapon. It is capable of firing at shore and surface targets as well as being used as an anti-aircraft weapon. The gun mount is painted in the same gray as the vertical surfaces, and the gun itself the same, except for the barrel near the gun mount and the actual mechanism for changing the gun's elevation which I painted in a darker, Model Master Gunship gray.

Here's how all that looks now:


So, she's coming together nicely...but a LOT of work to do. Lots of details with the parts supplied by Trumpeter and a lot of excellent detail in the Gold Metal Model's Kirov class PE set I have for this vessel.

This weekend is a three day holiday weekend, so I should have some very good progress to report next Tuesday.

Progress on my Russian Petr Velikiy CGN 099, nuclear powered battle cruiser. I'll follow up with a full description on this progress next Monday or Tuesday:

Hmmm

Carry also SA-N-20 which is ABM.

Why one space between SA-N-6/20 launchers ?

I began this session by adding the details along the main deck from the aft section to the bow. Aft and amidships, this included the sixty-four SA-N-9 vertical vertical missile launchers, two RBU-1200 ten barrel 254mm Anti-submarine rocket launchers and numerous life raft stations and other blast deflectors and equipment.


Forward, it included two of the six Kashtin CADS-N-1 CIWS systems. Each of these is quite the assembly itself, consisting of fourteen parts to put together the housing, the two 30mm cannons, the eight missiles, and the onboard sensors for each unit. These close in weapons are quite effective, able to launch short range anti-missile missiles and shoot 30mm gatlin guns at incoming missiles. They each also have stores of 24 additional missiles in an autoloader beneath them. This necessitated the small deck housings for the Kashtin CIWS systems. These assemblies were somewhat intricate and require a llight and deft touch to assemble properly. Paint beforehand. I painted the housings the darker gray overall of the vertical surfaces, and then painted the gun barrels and even darker, model master gunship gray, and the missiles, a lighter, light ghost gray. You will need to use fine point tweezers to assist you in assembling these very small pieces once they dry.

In addition to thses systems, there is enclosed decking, a forward RBU-1000 twelve barrel 305mm anti-submarine rocket launcher, and other equipment. These are very heavily armed vessels. In these pictures you can now see how these weapons systems surround the twenty large vertical launch hatches for the SS-N-19 Shipwreck long range anti-shipping missiles, and forward of those, the twelve vertical launch hatches for the SA-6-N Grumble long range anti-air missiles, each of which contains eight missiles.


At this point, and because I had some extra time due to the long three day weekend, I turned my attention to the aft deck house. This structure includes numerous sensors, a viewing/control area for the helicopter deck landing, four more Kashtin close in weapons systems, and numerous soptlights, other small sensors, storage tanks, and equipment arranged along and on this structure.

Once again the Kashtin CADS-N-1 CIWS systems involved a good deal of time in assmbly. The small search lights and their platforms are also very small and intricate. As are the smaller radars and fire control equipment.

The portions of the deck house that include windows are molded in clear plastic. I prefer having these types of section molded in gray, with clear plastic windows to insert into cutouts. Trumpeter does this on some models, as do some of the other model makers, but, for whatever reason, on this model, they molded the entire portion of the deck house in clear plastic. I proceeded by painting the bulk of the section in the Model MAster primer Gray I am using for all vertical surfaces. I did not paint over the windowed areas. I then came back and on the inside of the windows, used FloQuil weathered black to paint the windows. After doing that (allowing the paint to dry inbetween of course) I then used one of my very fine brushes to paint on the outside of the part the window fram in gray. This worked out quite nicely as you can see on the aft end of the deck house for that control station.

Lots of parts (amd time) involved in this assembl6y, but it is well worth it. I will come back later and add what I call the "super" details which will consist of all of the Phot Etch (PE) sensors and antennae. As it is, right now, this assembly is looking very nice, expecially when dry fitted to the hull as in the last three pictures.


With all six Kashtins, this means that the Petr Velikiy has twelve very high rate of fire 30mm Gatlin guns and 48 ready missiles for close in anti-missile defense, plus another 144 missiles in reserve to be loaded through their autoloaders. That's very impressive close in defenses.

In the next session I will be working on the forward deck house.

Jeff will you also put on absorbent painting to disguise your model from radar detection heheh ?

I am also in the middle of building trumpeter's 1/350 Pyotr Veliky, although the project has languished for a while.

I like to point out some big flaws in the molding in case anyone is interested in building a corrected version of the ship.

1. The arcurate protruding blister outboard of each propeller is not present on the PV, as verified by many pictures of the ship in dry dock. As far as I can tell, they were never present on any other vessels of the class either. The only Russian ship that I've seen which had anything like such blisters near the propellers were the Kravik class.

2. The intake water scoops on the hull side, as well as the protruding sonar dome under the keel (not the bulb under the forefoot) does show up in drawings in many Russian language references, but they are not found in photos of any of the actual ships. ADAIK, they were never mounted.

3. The shape of the underwater hull around the propeller and rudders is completely wrong. There is actually a large indented "tunnel" on the bottom of the hull between the rudders which trumpeter completely missed. The hull shape above exposed propeller shaft is far too full and blobular. This part of the hull is actually quite hollow, allowing a smooth flow of water towards the propeller. Trumpeter makes the same mistakes on the underwater hulls of 1/350 Slava class as well as Sovremney class. The only Trumpeter 1/350 model of modern Russian ships to depict the shape of rear underwater hull reasonably accurately is the Udaloy I and II.

4. The propeller should be 5 bladed, not 4 bladed.

In general, I have to describe the hull in the Trumpeter model as a impression of the real ship, with imagination being used to fill in gaps left by sketchy reseach, and not really a true scale model of the real ship.

chuck731 said:

I am also in the middle of building trumpeter's 1/350 Pyotr Veliky, although the project has languished for a while.

I like to point out some big flaws in the molding in case anyone is interested in building a corrected version of the ship.

1. The arcurate protruding blister outboard of each propeller is not present on the PV, as verified by many pictures of the ship in dry dock. As far as I can tell, they were never present on any other vessels of the class either. The only Russian ship that I've seen which had anything like such blisters near the propellers were the Kravik class.

2. The intake water scoops on the hull side, as well as the protruding sonar dome under the keel (not the bulb under the forefoot) does show up in drawings in many Russian language references, but they are not found in photos of any of the actual ships. ADAIK, they were never mounted.

3. The shape of the underwater hull around the propeller and rudders is completely wrong. There is actually a large indented "tunnel" on the bottom of the hull between the rudders which trumpeter completely missed. The hull shape above exposed propeller shaft is far too full and blobular. This part of the hull is actually quite hollow, allowing a smooth flow of water towards the propeller. Trumpeter makes the same mistakes on the underwater hulls of 1/350 Slava class as well as Sovremney class. The only Trumpeter 1/350 model of modern Russian ships to depict the shape of rear underwater hull reasonably accurately is the Udaloy I and II.

4. The propeller should be 5 bladed, not 4 bladed.

In general, I have to describe the hull in the Trumpeter model as a impression of the real ship, with imagination being used to fill in gaps left by sketchy reseach, and not really a true scale model of the real ship.

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and the party pooper of the year award goes to... anyway we do need folks like you around! Your attention to detail and incessant nitpicks while annoying at times can also be a good thing in certain circumstances. When absolute granularity is needed folks like you come in handy.

Jura said:

Jeff will you also put on absorbent painting to disguise your model from radar detection heheh ?

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I am actually using a very sophisticated stealth paint on this model.

It is not only radar and sonar absorbant but it actually masks both the infrared and the visual wave lengths such that it hides from view the protruding blisters outboard of each propeller and the large indented "tunnel" on the bottom of the hull that Chuck731 is talking about. They are reeally all there...you just can't see them.

Sadly, the intake water scoops on the hull side, as well as the protruding sonar dome under the keel that trumpeter added which were not present on the actual ship were not something that the special paint could do anything about, but that too is a part of the deception plan. They are actually there when they aren't supposed to be!

Hehehe.