Kim jong il dead
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Equation
Lieutenant General
Really? I didn't know that. If the Soviet model collapse, why didn't the NK use the Chinese model or just do more trades with them?
Joshluot-34-85
New Member
Chinese intervention in NK is there is a coup?
Mr T
Senior Member
Because the North Korean regime is xenophobic and paranoid. The last thing they would do is adopt a capitalist system, even if it was a Chinese variant. But more importantly they fear change. Adopting a freer economic model would change society in potentially unpredictable ways. The North Korean regime prefers stability to change, even if stability leads to famine and mass starvation.
I agree, but I think that's a big ask. I have a feeling it will be more of the same, at least for many years.
Sorry, vilify? Vilify?!
We're talking about someone who has chosen the starvation of millions of people over giving up a nuclear weapons programme. Someone who is so brutal he punishes entire families because one person flees the country. A man who apparently forced his own son to go through plastic surgery so that he would look more like his grandfather.
You can't vilify someone like that, it's a contradiction in terms.
Ask Kim Jong Il... To bad he is dead now. Opening up to foreign influences would jeopardize his family's power.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
The Kims playing gods pretty much explains their motivations. They're running a cult and cults make sure they control every aspect of their followers lives and foremost to make sure of no outside influences. You see it with every dictator and you see it with religions. And the usual suspects who think this is something their society doesn't do... you do it too. It's like corruption in government. You see only others being corrupt but the only difference is you've legalized your corruption.
RedMercury
Junior Member
I find the schadenfreude in this thread disturbing. A man died. R.I.P.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Hear, Hear. For all his wrong doing. China will still back his heir up unless they want 8th Army as neighbor. China just don't have any choice. The best path is for China to hold hand the reformist and resuscitate Noko economy giving better life to her people. Only China can do it
North Korean ally China expresses ‘deep condolences’ over death of Kim Jong Il
By Associated Press, Published: December 18 | Updated: Monday, December 19, 7:17 AM
BEIJING — North Korea’s key ally China offered deep condolences Monday on the death of Kim Jong Il and immediately offered its steadfast support to his son and successor.
The Communist Party’s Central Committee, the top policy-setting body, hailed Kim Jong Un as North Korea’s new leader and said long-standing ties will flourish between the two countries.
“We believe the (North Korean) people will carry forward of the will of Comrade Kim Jong Il and closely unite around the Korean Workers’ Party, and under the leadership of Comrade Kim Jong Un, turn grief into strength and march forward for building a socialist strong country and realizing a lasting peace on the Korean peninsula,” the party said in a statement read on state television.
The statement is a rare tribute from the Chinese leadership on the death of a foreign leader. Hours earlier, China’s Foreign Ministry issued condolences on behalf of the government, praising the elder Kim as “a great leader of the North Korean people and a dear friend to the people of China.”
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
Kim must have known his time as nearly up for a while, that was why he visited China so many times this year and pushed to groom his song with such indecent haste.
This would mean that the chances of a coup against the chubby heir is extremely slim, as Dear Departed Leader would have made damn sure the right people were in the right positions in the event of his death.
The fact that North Korea broke the news after only a couple of days would also suggest that things are firmly in control. If they were not, the regime would have kept the story firmly under wraps for much longer to tie up any possible loose ends before any public announcement. The fact that they took so little time means that everything was pretty much taken cared off for some time now.
This all means that Kim Jung Il would have put people he trusted in key positions, and such people would have benefited greatly from the current status quo, and been absolutely loyal to now departed Kim, so I seriously doubt chubby Kim could make any sweeping reforms even if he wanted to.
It may be years or decades before he has built up enough of a power base to able to really do whatever he wanted, if he gathers that much power at all.
So those of you hoping for a rapid change may well be disappointed.
The biggest question now is whether Chubbs really have any power, or is he just a fat puppet with someone else pulling his strings behind the scenes.
How long it takes him to make his first visit to China may give us some ideas. If he was just a figure head, changes are hims puppet masters would not want to risk allowing him somewhere where they cannot have total control over him.
Nonsense.
A weak and impoverished NK is far more likely to be swallowed up by a powerful South than a strong and rich North. The more powerful NK, the more bargaining power they will have over re-unification.
Hell, if NK was powerful enough and rich enough, they could be the ones pushing to swallow the South through peaceful reunification.
Also, the last thing China wants is for NK to be making trouble scaring markets, investors and giving Japan and America more excuses to expand their military presence in the region.
Why do you think China has been working so hard and spending so much effort trying to get the North Koreans to sit down at the negotiating table?
If China really wanted to racket up the tensions, they would not be doing any of that, or turning down North Korean requests for advanced weapons.
This would mean that the chances of a coup against the chubby heir is extremely slim, as Dear Departed Leader would have made damn sure the right people were in the right positions in the event of his death.
The fact that North Korea broke the news after only a couple of days would also suggest that things are firmly in control. If they were not, the regime would have kept the story firmly under wraps for much longer to tie up any possible loose ends before any public announcement. The fact that they took so little time means that everything was pretty much taken cared off for some time now.
This all means that Kim Jung Il would have put people he trusted in key positions, and such people would have benefited greatly from the current status quo, and been absolutely loyal to now departed Kim, so I seriously doubt chubby Kim could make any sweeping reforms even if he wanted to.
It may be years or decades before he has built up enough of a power base to able to really do whatever he wanted, if he gathers that much power at all.
So those of you hoping for a rapid change may well be disappointed.
The biggest question now is whether Chubbs really have any power, or is he just a fat puppet with someone else pulling his strings behind the scenes.
How long it takes him to make his first visit to China may give us some ideas. If he was just a figure head, changes are hims puppet masters would not want to risk allowing him somewhere where they cannot have total control over him.
Nonsense.
A weak and impoverished NK is far more likely to be swallowed up by a powerful South than a strong and rich North. The more powerful NK, the more bargaining power they will have over re-unification.
Hell, if NK was powerful enough and rich enough, they could be the ones pushing to swallow the South through peaceful reunification.
Also, the last thing China wants is for NK to be making trouble scaring markets, investors and giving Japan and America more excuses to expand their military presence in the region.
Why do you think China has been working so hard and spending so much effort trying to get the North Koreans to sit down at the negotiating table?
If China really wanted to racket up the tensions, they would not be doing any of that, or turning down North Korean requests for advanced weapons.
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