Key military sites air defence against stealth bomber bombing.

IDonT

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I doubt that. The B-2 is designed to foil against the long frequency radars the Soviet Union uses to scan its borders. Its not designed against shorter frequency fire control radars.

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"Taking the next step in stealth could be the biggest technological risk. The USA has made significant strides in stealth technology since the B-2, particularly in LO maintainability with the Lockheed F-22 and F-35, but these fighters are designed to evade higher-frequency fire control, or "shooter", radars more than lower-frequency, longer-range surveillance radars.

To penetrate and persist in the presence of integrated air defences "the next-generation bomber will have signature reduction well below the F-22 and F-35," says Muellner. He adds: "They are good at shooter frequencies, but not at low frequencies. The B-2 is good at low frequencies, but not at shooter frequencies. The next-generation bomber will be really good at all frequencies."

If that is the case, you still need to know where to point your "shooter".

How close was that Serbian SAM site that shoot down the F-117?
 

lilzz

Banned Idiot
A 2000lb JDAM drop at 40,000 ft by a B-2 traveling at 600 mph has a range between 10-15 miles. 10-15 miles is not close enough for any radar detect, track, and target a B-2 at night.


You haven't answer the question, does the aegis ship killed by the B-2's bomb??
 

adeptitus

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I think CIWS gun systems would be useful against a very small number of high-valued munitions, but not against 80 falling bombs. I doubt your typical CIWS tracking radar could even actively track that many targets and attack them.

If your opponent drops a single 2,000 lb LGB on your base, a CIWS gun can probably shred that bomb with streams of hot metal.

The PLA already has the Type 730, LD-2000, and Type 90 AAA. If they can acquire or domestically develop AHEAD type munitions for the Oerlikon *** 35mm gun, it'd make the system more efficient and possibly bring it to ***-006 standard.

The gun could also be mounted on older MBT chasis (T-59?) via Marksman style turret to make a SPAAG:
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lilzz

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well, whether CIWS is effective against the bombs is debatable, but it sure will be effective as last line of defense against tomahawk, or rogue missiles like hangfeng, brahmos..
 

Pointblank

Senior Member
You can always saturate the target area with munitions, providing more targets than the defences can cope with. Also, there are decoy drones out that that can emulate a certain radar signature, which again can help saturate the target area, or keep the defenders off balance.
 

NightHook

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How close was that Serbian SAM site that shoot down the F-117?
Not very close :)
Thirdly, a shock of a 2000 lbs bomb explosion, along with the shrapnel will destroy your CIWS even at 3,000 meters.
I survive this bomb exploding about 25-27 meters from me. I was not even wounded only little shocked. Two days after I was again (and equipment too)in my unit.
B-2 are problems for big country like Russia or China. For any small country with barrely good air-defence they practicaly present same threat as as B-1 b.
Why? Crobato is pretty close.
well, whether CIWS is effective against the bombs is debatable

It's not debatable. Debatable is cost - efectivnes ratio. Are you aware how much this systems cost. Be sure - MUCH. So this systems can be very useful around smal number of key - instalations, but they can not be real answer to bombs. btw some guys from AAA unit which cover one bridge managed to shot down 3 guided misiles without any radar or thermal control! Only MK4 eyeball, but I will never say that WW2 style AAA are efective weapon against bombs or missiles.
 

crobato

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If that is the case, you still need to know where to point your "shooter".

The point is, when the B-2 was conceived, the target was the Soviet air defense perimeter, which is hardly dense. With only that many radar units and an enormous boundary to cover, the Soviet Union has to use very long range, very long frequency radars.

Long frequency volume search radars would only cue short frequency, fire control radars to the target.

How close was that Serbian SAM site that shoot down the F-117?

It is likely to be within range of its IRST, as the Gecko is noted to have electro-optical upgrades available. Thermal detection and tracking can easily go up to 50km, even more, under ideal conditions, but in this case, its probably about 10 to 15 km, given that its a short ranged missile.

These SAMs are mobile though, which means they can relocate easily. Even if you want to bomb them, it has to assume you have to know where they are exactly when you arrive to the target point, and they may not exactly be there when you do.
 

NightHook

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The point is, when the B-2 was conceived, the target was the Soviet air defense perimeter, which is hardly dense. With only that many radar units and an enormous boundary to cover, the Soviet Union has to use very long range, very long frequency radars.

Long frequency volume search radars would only cue short frequency, fire control radars to the target.


It is likely to be within range of its IRST, as the Gecko is noted to have electro-optical upgrades available. Thermal detection and tracking can easily go up to 50km, even more, under ideal conditions, but in this case, its probably about 10 to 15 km, given that its a short ranged missile.

These SAMs are mobile though, which means they can relocate easily. Even if you want to bomb them, it has to assume you have to know where they are exactly when you arrive to the target point, and they may not exactly be there when you do.

What Gecko? Numbers of SA-8 in our army was 0. This F-117 was shot down with s-125 (and another heavily damaged), there is no secret about this. Some Neva's have thermals but majority have only original TV sight.
 

lilzz

Banned Idiot
The problem /w B-2 is its very slow, it drop its first bomb, the fighters will go up and prosecute it.
 

crobato

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What Gecko? Numbers of SA-8 in our army was 0. This F-117 was shot down with s-125 (and another heavily damaged), there is no secret about this. Some Neva's have thermals but majority have only original TV sight.

Oh sorry I mistyped. I meant Goa. Ordinary TV sight will do just fine, especially in full moonlight.
 
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