Key military sites air defence against stealth bomber bombing.

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lilzz

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I thinking borrow a page from the NAvy and install the CIWS, close in battle system. On each key military site erect a tall structure and at least put one CIWS system, a phallanx gun guided by IR and radar.

bomber ultimately have to drop the bomb, but when the bomb approaching the building and site, the CIWS would turn on and blast those falling metal bombs to pieces before they could land much like the close in defense utilized in the NAVY ship.
 
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lilzz

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It just take a bullet to ruin the bomb, each phallanx like guns can fire 3000+ rounds per min. How many SDB bombs you are dropping on a given site?
For an important site, they can install multiple CIWS stations.

Once you drop your first bomb, AWACS /w anti-stealth radar and fighter /w long range AAM would go up and prosecute the snail-like B-2s.
 
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I don't think this renders you immune to incoming weapons, especially not from stealth aircraft, but it is the way forward for point defence. But China doesn't rally need point defence - who's about top attack China????

The US C-RAM has proved relatively effective in Iraq against sporadic mortar fire - the impressive bit is sustained readiness IMO.
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The Oerlikon SkyShield is also fully automated and has anti-missile A-HEAD ammo:
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And lastly but not least, China's very own LD2000
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balance

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planeman said:
I don't think this renders you immune to incoming weapons, especially not from stealth aircraft, but it is the way forward for point defence. But China doesn't rally need point defence - who's about top attack China????
My question is:
1. what makes it not immune especially with regard to stealth? Is the bomb stealthy? The plane is stealthy but the bombs are not, nor are the air to ground missiles.

2. Why doesn't China need a point-defense? Stealth bombers and fighters are still a concern for China air-defense strategy. Point-defense will be a cheaper and effective alternative to expensive SAM?

3. This question is to everybody:
a. How do you counter stealth cruise missiles with CIWS or point-defense weapon?
b. How effective will CIWS against the incoming anti-radiation missile directed to a radar or SAM site?

Thank you Planeman and everybody.
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Pointblank

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I wonder how you are going to defend against 80 Mk82 bombs... or substitute the bombs for cluster munitions, and you got a real doozy.
 
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lilzz

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80 MK32 bombs, like I say before, Phallanx 3000+ per min, it will rip them aprt in no time.

as for cruise missile or anti-radiation missile, when it's approaching its target, the CIWS 's IR detector will spot and destroy it.
 
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lilzz said:
80 MK32 bombs, like I say before, Phallanx 3000+ per min, it will rip them aprt in no time.

as for cruise missile or anti-radiation missile, when it's approaching its target, the CIWS 's IR detector will spot and destroy it.
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At 3,000+ rounds a minute, you have less than 30 seconds worth of sustained fire before your barrels melt. SO you may destroy 2 (highly doubtful). What are you going to do with the other 78 bombs.
 
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RedMercury

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Let's do a ballpark estimate shall we? Let's say, optimistically that a CIWS takes 1 sec to eliminate 1 target within its range, and it shoots to 3km. So 80 targets need to be eliminated within 3000 meters. So 3000/80 secs is about 37 m/s or 135 kph. So if the bombs were traveling faster than that, at least one would get through.

It is not efficient to attack munitions; far more efficient to attack platforms.
 
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lilzz

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IDonT said:
At 3,000+ rounds a minute, you have less than 30 seconds worth of sustained fire before your barrels melt. SO you may destroy 2 (highly doubtful). What are you going to do with the other 78 bombs.
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LoL, it doesn't work that, You don't lock in and kill one bomb at one time. It's more like thousands of bullets attacking that whole group of bombs.
 
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