JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[lgnxz]

I'm not aware of a Chinese targeting pod specifically designed for the JF-17

You're telling me that a plane made and designed by china doesn't have a specific targeting pod made by china, but instead turkey has a pod 'customly made' for JF-17?? lol ok...

 

[Deino]

You're telling me that a plane made and designed by china doesn't have a specific targeting pod made by china, but instead turkey has a pod 'customly made' for JF-17?? lol ok...

Can we please stop with these nasty provocative comments? There is indeed a Chinese pod available, it is in use since years both with the J-10B/C and JH-7A. As such it is not that there is none available, but - for whatever reason - the PAF decided against it (or it simply was not offer, what I don't believe)

 

[plawolf]

The Turkish pod has somewhat better specs than available export Chinese pods, but personally, I suspect a key reason for Pakistan choosing the Turkish pod, beyond the geopolitical angle, is that the Turkish pod should be NATO spec’d, whereas Chinese pods would have its own proprietary specs.

NATO specs is useful because that would then allow them to use NATO, and specifically, US made LGBs.

That is useful because Pakistan gets US foreign military aid funding to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, which can buy a lot of LGBs that then could be used with the Turkish pod.

People shouldn’t get overly sensitive about Pakistan integrating foreign systems and weapons onto the JF17, because that was one of the key original design criteria after all. Since it was supposed to be an easily customisable aircraft.

As such, the Turkish pod actually improved the attractiveness of the plane, since potential customers know they have the flexibility to integrate what they want and won’t be limited to just what China has to offer, and that China won’t play hardball to pressure them into using only Chinese offerings.

 

[Mohsin77]

For better or for worst, when the PAF selected a Chinese AESA radar the inevitable outcome is that the EW system will naturally be Chinese as well. In other words, the AESA and EW are a married couple. It is incredibly difficult if not impossible to integrate a non Chinese EW suite suite to a Chinese radar. The Turkish targeting pod is not on the same scale of complexity as EW integration.

Getting an AESA radar to function properly as designed is very difficult. We know because from the DOT&E status reports it took approximately 10 years for the USN to sort out the operational issues with the APG-79. One of the problem was interference between EW and radar when they operate in the same frequency. I expect that the JF-17 to have similar issues dealing with "look through" features. The technical and operational difficulties of sorting out "look through" in itself is difficult and you don't want to attempt that by using differently sourced systems because that would be a problematic recipe.

Thanks Brumby.... Damnit, this might be a problem... China doesn't manufacture podded DRFM jammers...

Mohsin, ignore this ZeEa5kPul, he is insecure and making us all look bad. He is probably a troll from India trying to start beef between China and Pakistan. Even the U.S. sometimes buys weapons from other countries like the Harrier jets.

No worries. He's not an indian troll though, he's a good guy, he just randomly explodes every few weeks lolz.

 

[MastanKhan]

You're telling me that a plane made and designed by china doesn't have a specific targeting pod made by china, but instead turkey has a pod 'customly made' for JF-17?? lol ok...

Hi,

Definitely made by china but not necessarily all designed by china---.

The original EW package for this aircraft was supposedly to be of French origin and if Pakistan had opted for some Rafales when france was desperately trying to sell them in the early to mid 2000's---the engine could also have been french---.

 

[Brumby]

China doesn't manufacture podded DRFM jammers...

I don't think this is necessarily true. I would not bet against the idea that China does not have an ECM pod with DRFM features.

 

[Mohsin77]

I don't think this is necessarily true. I would not bet against the idea that China does not have an ECM pod with DRFM features.

Yep, it's just an assumption on my part, since I couldn't find one. Hopefully I'm wrong.

 

[lgnxz]

Can we please stop with these nasty provocative comments? There is indeed a Chinese pod available, it is in use since years both with the J-10B/C and JH-7A.

Who's provoking who with those false comments? The engineers are so near-sighted and incapable that there's no targeting pod available for its newest JF-17 that Pakistan has to use turkey's 'custom made' pod? You answered it yourself right after, it's just a straight up lie. Going back to the original comment that I reply to,

There's also the huge political considerations. Pakistan and Turkey are becoming increasingly aligned in the region.

it is clear here that there's another, and frankly more probable cause of the decision; geopolitical reason. So let's stop, stop with the ambiguity and be blunt about it, don't try to insinuate that there's no targeting pod from china that's as capable or more integrated because it's not 'custom made'. It's a pure lie, everyone that has often watched china's military should know better about the current state of these kind of techs.

The original EW package for this aircraft was supposedly to be of French origin

The comment that I replied to talked about block 3 JF-17. Those conditions at the beginning of JF-17 program surely have nothing to do with the current block 3 program, given how a lot have changed since mid 2000s.

 

[MastanKhan]

Who's provoking who with those false comments? The engineers are so near-sighted and incapable that there's no targeting pod available for its newest JF-17 that Pakistan has to use turkey's 'custom made' pod? You answered it yourself right after, it's just a straight up lie. Going back to the original comment that I reply to,

it is clear here that there's another, and frankly more probable cause of the decision; geopolitical reason. So let's stop, stop with the ambiguity and be blunt about it, don't try to insinuate that there's no targeting pod from china that's as capable or more integrated because it's not 'custom made'. It's a pure lie, everyone that has often watched china's military should know better about the current state of these kind of techs.


The comment that I replied to talked about block 3 JF-17. Those conditions at the beginning of JF-17 program surely have nothing to do with the current block 3 program, given how a lot have changed since mid 2000s.

Hi,

This decison of Paf going elsewhere benefits the chinese industry a lot---. They have to step upto the plate to make a better and a potent product and they have done it---like in case of the Radar. The Italians had offered an excellent Radar but the chinese produced a more likeable product---and Paf opted for that---.

Paf will opt for a better performing product that provides better service utility and maintenance---.

 

[benny]

I have a problem with Pakistan abusing China's kindness by attaching foreign electronics to a Chinese plane. China goes out of its way to design a plane for Pakistan and foots the bill out of friendship when Pakistan doesn't have a snowball's chance of doing it alone, shares it IP with Pakistan and sets up local production, then Pakistan spits in China's face by putting foreign electronics on it. What's wrong with Chinese electronics?

If it were a European targeting pod the insult would remain but at least it would be understandable. But this is a Turkish targeting pod. You buy tomatoes and watermelons from Turkey, not electronics.

Dumbest thing I've ever heard