JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[Dizasta1]

A single J-11B winning against two JF-17s means that Thunders need more powerful radar, EW Suite and longer range BVRAAMs. Because Rafales with AESAs & Meteor BVRAAMs would prove to be a very real challenge to defeat. Which brings to the Block-lll Thunders, and whether they would suffice to plug the capability shortage, vis'a'vis Rafales.

 

[Gloire_bb]

A single J-11B winning against two JF-17s means that Thunders need more powerful radar, EW Suite and longer range BVRAAMs. Because Rafales with AESAs & Meteor BVRAAMs would prove to be a very real challenge to defeat. Which brings to the Block-lll Thunders, and whether they would suffice to plug the capability shortage, vis'a'vis Rafales.

//So Rafale with Mica is a pushover?//
When you are pushing JF-17 upwards to directly confront J-11Bs, MKIs and Rafales - it will be their battle to lose, not thunder's to win.

Airforce is a system of systems. Airforce, composed of better utilized, individually weaker pieces still can be competitive.(as was shown clearly this spring)

While upgrades are necessary, "more powerful radar, EW Suite and longer range BVRAAMs" sounds like an attempt to go toe to toe against opponents 2-3 times heavier than you, on a very...non-BVRish type of fighter.

 

[timepass]

//So Rafale with Mica is a pushover?//
When you are pushing JF-17 upwards to directly confront J-11Bs, MKIs and Rafales - it will be their battle to lose, not thunder's to win.

Airforce is a system of systems. Airforce, composed of better utilized, individually weaker pieces still can be competitive.(as was shown clearly this spring)

While upgrades are necessary, "more powerful radar, EW Suite and longer range BVRAAMs" sounds like an attempt to go toe to toe against opponents 2-3 times heavier than you, on a very...non-BVRish type of fighter.

We need to understand the JF17 doctrine of PAF, its never meant to face MKIs or Rafales ....

JF17 is replacing the aging fleet of A5s/F7Ps/Mirage III/Vs & to face MIG 29s/M2Ks/JAGs/Bison etc like its called a Local produced F16..

To me the JF17 is basically like a domestically produced F16 for the PAF.

For MKIs, PAF have F16 - BLK 50/52s & For Rafales, PAF is seriously considering the J10 CEs or D (under development with CFTs/ more powerful engine & wingtip pylons)....

 

[siegecrossbow]

Any intel on whether this was BVR or WVR?

I'm pretty sure it was WVR but the original article in Chinese was vague on the details. What I do know is that originally two J-11Bs were supposed to go up against two JF-17s and one of them couldn't take off due to technically complications. They were going to cancel the exercise but the remaining pilot told them he'll do one-vs-two and they went on with it.

A single J-11B winning against two JF-17s means that Thunders need more powerful radar, EW Suite and longer range BVRAAMs. Because Rafales with AESAs & Meteor BVRAAMs would prove to be a very real challenge to defeat. Which brings to the Block-lll Thunders, and whether they would suffice to plug the capability shortage, vis'a'vis Rafales.

Keep in mind that the J-11B is a heavy fighter and the best fourth generation fighter (not counting 4.5s like J-10C and J-16) in PLAAF. Results of aerial confrontations are often based on not just platform performance but factors like pilot skill and even luck. No doubt Pakistan channeled what they've learned about flankers during the aerial confrontation in late February.

 

[Gloire_bb]

We need to understand the JF17 doctrine of PAF, its never meant to face MKIs or Rafales ...

My belief is what it's meant to face all of them, when and where conditions are right.

If forced to fight toe2toe, both matchups are hugely unfair even like this.

 

[asif iqbal]

I think you are all forgetting one thing

IAF will be trying to gain deep penetration into Pakistan and try to gain air superiority

PAF will play the role of intercept and engagement

On that role PAF has the defensive advantage

Higher number of IAF will account for nothing in this case

As long as PAF has enough warning from air borne AWACS they should have enough time to vector in and repeat what happened on 27th of February

Which should be renamed JF17 Day

 

[Gloire_bb]

On that role PAF has the defensive advantage

=when and where conditions are right.
I believe we are in agreement.

 

[Mohsin77]

I think you are all forgetting one thing

IAF will be trying to gain deep penetration into Pakistan and try to gain air superiority

PAF will play the role of intercept and engagement

On that role PAF has the defensive advantage

Higher number of IAF will account for nothing in this case

As long as PAF has enough warning from air borne AWACS they should have enough time to vector in and repeat what happened on 27th of February

Which should be renamed JF17 Day

... that's cute.

 

[Mohsin77]

Keep in mind that the J-11B is a heavy fighter and the best fourth generation fighter (not counting 4.5s like J-10C and J-16) in PLAAF. Results of aerial confrontations are often based on not just platform performance but factors like pilot skill and even luck. No doubt Pakistan channeled what they've learned about flankers during the aerial confrontation in late February.

Absolutely, that's why these joint exercises are immensely important.

 

[Zahid]

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