JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[thunderchief]

Pakistan has already received 60 fighters from China since 2007. Ten of them were devoted to the test and evaluation unit, based in Minhas, the other 50 aircraft were assigned to the 16th and 26th squadrons of the Pakistan Air Force.

These are Block I aircraft ? Most likely because they mention 16th and 27th squadron .

April 19, 2015

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Well, Argentinian government most likely selected most basic option in order not to alarm British, but to keep FAA flying and able to fulfill air control mission in peacetime .

 

[Miragedriver]

Well, Argentinian government most likely selected most basic option in order not to alarm British, but to keep FAA flying and able to fulfill air control mission in peacetime .

It would be interesting to know if they indeed are acquiring a basic version, if the Israelis will be involved in the avionics upgrade. I’m sure that Israel wants a closer look at the JF-17, since it is a possible adversarial aircraft.

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[Dizasta1]

It would be interesting to know if they indeed are acquiring a basic version, if the Israelis will be involved in the avionics upgrade. I’m sure that Israel wants a closer look at the JF-17, since it is a possible adversarial aircraft.

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Please explain

 

[Jeff Head]

Please explain

I think he is implying that if Israel is involved in any avionics upgrades to the aircraft to meet Argentina's needs, that it will give them the opportunity to get a very close look at the JF-17.

Personally, I believe that China will only transfer the aircraft with the agreement that no such foreign work can occur on them. They would be sold by China, with Chinese engineers to work on them and to first meet any Argentinian needs, and then train the Argentinians to do so..

Time will tell ... and time will also tell if a deal is ever even reached.

 

[Miragedriver]

I think he is implying that if Israel is involved in any avionics upgrades to the aircraft to meet Argentina's needs, that it will give them the opportunity to get a very close look at the JF-17........

Thank you. Exactly.

 

[nemo]

I think he is implying that if Israel is involved in any avionics upgrades to the aircraft to meet Argentina's needs, that it will give them the opportunity to get a very close look at the JF-17.

Personally, I believe that China will only transfer the aircraft with the agreement that no such foreign work can occur on them. They would be sold by China, with Chinese engineers to work on them and to first meet any Argentinian needs, and then train the Argentinians to do so..

So others can take a closer look -- so what? FC-1 is developed exclusively for export and does not contain any sensitive technology that China is not willing to sell. If anyone is willing to enhance the aircraft so it may sell better, that's to the interest of China and may actually actively support such efforts.

 

[Miragedriver]

**OFF TOPIC**
Since we are all speculating here, I’ll take the liberty of sharing a mine delirious speculation with you. I would like to see FAdeA manufacture under license 60 units of the JF-17 (including the Chinese avionics, but with the Russian Klimov RD-33 engines). This would be inclusive with technology transfer. In addition to the 60 JF-17 the Naval Aviation arm could acquire 12 to 14 Mig-35.

Since theJF-17 is a simpler aircraft to manufacture and maintain (compared to the MiG-35, Gripen, etc….), the advantage here would be the same engine for all fighters FAA and Naval Aviation. Our pilots could maintain the flying hours that they should really have. Additionally FAdeA could begin the construction of more JF-17 for the South American market and apply the technology transferred to other products FAdeA (even in the civil field).

**ON TOPIC**


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[Jeff Head]

It seems we just lost a couple of pages worth of posts from this thread.

I had a discussion going about Pakistan potentially using the JF-17 Block II for a naval arm aircraft...and all of that discussion and others going on at the same time are now gone.

I will check into this and try and see what happened.

 

[Miragedriver]

The JF-17 is a multi-roll aircraft, and as stated many times on this thread it is capable of launching air-to-ground weaponry includes rocket pods,

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anti-runway munitions together with

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such as LGBs and

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are also compatible with the JF-17, as are other guided weapons such as anti-shipping missile C802

Pakistan planned to bring the Brazilian MAR-1 anti-radiation missile into service on its JF-17 fleet in 2014

The only thing is that for long range anti-shipping roll it will have a reduced payload to offset the additional fuel tanks. However it will still have a better range and payload than the Super Etendard.


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[adeptitus]

Well, Argentinian government most likely selected most basic option in order not to alarm British, but to keep FAA flying and able to fulfill air control mission in peacetime .

When US sold multi-role fighters to Japan, Taiwan, etc. in the past, the air to surface attack modes were sometimes diminished. I think if China does export FC-1 to Argentina, they would customize an Argentine variant (differ from Pakistani) for security reasons, but the weapon suite wouldn't be downgraded. That is, Argentina can opt not to purchase certain munitions, but that doesn't mean the aircraft is incapable of using them.