JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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hanzo

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=========================================================MOSCOW. Aug 14 (Interfax-AVN) - It will be hard to stop China from selling JF-17 Thunder jet fighters equipped with Russian RD-93 engines to Pakistan, even if Russia insisted on it, deputy head of the Center for Strategic and Technological Analysis Konstantin Makiyenko told Interfax-AVN.

"Russia can't prohibit China to re-exporting RD-engines installed in JF-17 Thunder jet fighters to Pakistan, if this is not stipulated in the contract for the sale of the engines," Makiyenko said, commenting on reports in the Indian Express newspaper that Russia has prohibited China to sell JF-17 jets equipped with Russian RD-93 engines to Pakistan.

Russian exporters should have settled all issues with China and India, which opposes such sales, when the contract was still in its preparatory stage, the expert said.

"Although India is our strategic partner in military and technological cooperation, it has no right to press Russia to stop exporting weapons or hardware, including to Pakistan. All the more so that no such demands are being made to other countries, for example the United States and France, which sell weapons to both India and Pakistan," Makiyenko said.
 

mxiong

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胡问鸣说:昨天刚拿到许可文件,现在俄方已同意枭龙出口

美军飞行员体验枭龙 对数字化功能印象深刻
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【星岛网讯】俄罗斯第八届国际航空航天展览会8月21日开幕当天,中国航空工业第一集团公司展区中的“枭龙 ”战斗机训练模拟器成为了参观者关注的热点。在展会现场的美国飞行员在亲身体验了“枭龙”性能后表示,“你 们这款战斗机的数字化功能令我印象深刻。”

  据《国际先驱导报》报道,在展会现场,“枭龙”训练模拟器的正前方墙上悬挂三块大型彩色液晶屏,模拟座 舱内的视野。它们上方还挂着两块稍小的彩屏,分别显示飞机的空中姿态和地面的情况。

  训练模拟器本身,无论从外观大小,还是内部设置,都是模拟真实飞机座舱而建,只不过没有舱盖。成都飞机设计研究所工程师贺卫东说:“此次展出的是中国惟一一台,也是最基础的‘枭龙’训练模拟器,生产方可根据客户需求加装必要设备。建造一台普通‘枭龙’训练模拟器花费数千万元人民币。该模拟器可演练航空、作战等多项任务,能够帮助飞行员熟悉不同飞行高度、距离和方位以及感知态势。”

  亲身体验了“枭龙”的杰森在谈起它与美军F-16战机的区别时,也特别提到了前者座舱内操作面板上的三块多功能显示屏,并大加赞赏。“两者在操纵杆和其 他仪器布局方面也有所不同”。他说:“因为时间太短,没有熟悉‘枭龙’全部功能,因此我没办法完全比较两种战机的性能。不过,你们这款战斗机的数字化功能令我印象深刻。”

  中国一航副总经理胡问鸣表示,“枭龙”在火控系统和操纵灵活性等方面表现不俗,但在续航能力和高度方面 与F-16还有差距。

  贺卫东说,熟练的飞行员在空中完成从发现目标到将其击中的一系列动作只有几十秒,“反应的速度要像打乒 乓球那样快”。“为了抓住稍纵即逝的战机,战斗机研制单位大都通过提高飞机机动性来争取更多一点的时间,‘ 枭龙’也不例外。”

  “枭龙”由中国和巴基斯坦联合研制,中方称FC-1,巴方则称JF-17“雷电”战斗机。对于中方来说,这是第一种完全基于市场需要而研制的战机。

  此前有报道称,由于俄罗斯官员不允许中国将装有俄制RD-93型发动机的“枭龙”出售给巴基斯坦,因此,外界对于这款战斗机的命运一度有颇多猜测。而俄罗斯《生意人报》今年4月报道称,俄方已同中方达成了用RD-93型发动机共同组装“枭龙”战机并向第三国出口的协议,而且得益于普京总统亲自拍板。胡问鸣说:“昨天刚 拿到许可的文件,现在俄方已同意‘枭龙’可以出口到包括巴基斯坦在内的10个国家”。

  据业内人士分析,“枭龙”在国际市场其他潜在客户还包括孟加拉国、伊朗、埃及、尼日利亚以及其他亚非国 家,甚至一些拉美国家也有可能购买。胡问鸣说,目前已有两架“枭龙”交付巴基斯坦,今年还将继 续交付六架。

  此前,巴基斯坦防务专家塔拉特·马苏德中将表示,一架全新F-16的售价大约为3000万美元,而巴方订购的“枭龙”战机价格约为每架800万美元。考虑到巴基斯坦投资 参与了此前的研制工作,所以“枭龙”面向其他国家的售价估计在1000万到1500万美元之间。即便如此, 仍然远低于F-16。

The article basically says at the Moscow Aero the VP of AVIC I told the reporter they just got the document from Russian government which permits china to export FC-1 to ten nations including Pakistan. And also a USAF F-16 pilot tried the FC-1 simulator and was very impressed by the glass cockpit.

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challenge

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article about JF-17/Fc-1 on latest issue of Combat aircraft.
according PAF personal who examing KLj-7 claim the radar is better than older apg-66,PAF intention was to fitted the aircraft with AESA,rather than italian 's grifo radar as one first mention,since the US will never release AESA to PAF,this could mean thales's(?) Skyguardian,the radar is being offer to indian mirage -2000 and RAF tornado aircraft.
also the improve version with full fly by wire and IRST is being pursue.
 

Diving Falcon

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If AESA is required, then the main contenders would be the the Chinese industry and Selex/Galileo Avionica Vixen...Thales only has the RBE2 AESA - not something JF-17 would have.
 

ikaleem

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I am surprised...

Report: Possible French sale to Pakistan could see military technology fall into Chinese hands
The Associated PressPublished: September 13, 2007


PARIS: Pakistan is seeking to buy missiles and radar from France for a fighter plane that it is developing jointly with China, according to the respected defense publication, Jane's. Experts say such a sale would carry a risk of the technology falling into Chinese hands, circumventing a European arms embargo on China.

Pakistan is talking to France about getting air-to-air missiles from the MBDA company and radars from Thales for its JF-17 fighter, Jane's Defense Weekly said.

Those missiles and similar radars also equip Taiwan's French-built Mirage fighters, defenses that could be compromised if Pakistan transfers the technology to China, according to Jane's.

If Pakistan lets Chinese engineers look at the technology, as reports say it did with U.S. military equipment in the past, then such a sale would also circumvent an EU ban on arms sales to China that has been in place since the Chinese military crushed pro-democracy protests in 1989.

Experts say that embargo is increasingly porous and France has previously lobbied for it to be lifted.



New French President Nicolas Sarkozy, elected in May, has yet to say where he stands on the issue but may do so when he visits China later this year, his spokesman David Martinon said Thursday.

Jane's cited unnamed Russian and Chinese sources as saying the French sale to Pakistan is "likely" to go ahead.

Repeated calls over two days and e-mailed questions from The Associated Press to the office of the French Prime Minister Francois Fillon went unanswered.

Asked Thursday about the report, Defense Minister Herve Morin replied: "To my knowledge, there is no arms embargo for Pakistan."

He noted that France has a system of controls on arms exports and referred further questions to the prime minister's office.

Without confirming that talks with Pakistan are under way, Defense Ministry spokesman Laurent Teisseire said: "We have no reason not to cooperate with Pakistan on its leading projects."

He dismissed concerns of any possible technology leak to China, citing arms control measures that would be part of any such sale.

A spokesman for MBDA, Pierre Bayle, at first told the AP: "There is a competition to equip the Pakistani local-built fighter, this is an open competition. MBDA is in the competition, with other competitors" from the United States and South Africa.

But the next day, Bayle retracted that, saying he had been given inaccurate information and that there was no formal bidding process under way.

"There might be preparatory discussions, there might be a market opening, we are always interested," he said.

A spokesman for Thales, Markus Leutert, said: "We are not commenting on any ongoing bids or unsigned contracts."

China regards U.S. ally Taiwan as part of its territory, although the island rules itself, with a democratically elected government. The China-Taiwan relationship is one of the world's most closely watched potential sources of conflict, making arms acquisitions by either side an issue of utmost sensitivity.

Alexander Neill, head of the Asia program at the Royal United Services Institute for Defense and Security Studies in Britain, said he anticipated a "quite vicious" reaction from the United States if France proceeds with a sale.

He said concerns that China could get its hands on the technology are "valid."

"Pakistan is building a very solid relationship with China," he said.

Jointly funded and developed by Pakistan and China since 1999, the JF-17 made its maiden flight in Sept. 2003, the office of Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf says on its Web site.

On a visit to the fighter's Chinese manufacturer in February 2006, Musharraf hailed the project as "a major leap forward" in China-Pakistan cooperation.

A chance to look at the French technology could allow China to counter it, possibly affecting the delicate military balance between China and Taiwan, said Paul Smyth, head of Aerospace Studies at the Royal United Services Institute.

"If one side knows a lot about the technical capabilities of the other, and you know that because you've actually got your hands on a radar or a piece of avionics, or a missile seeker head or some other operationally significant piece of kit, then you are very well placed to dissect it, look at how it works, decide how best to counter it ... so there's no doubt that having access to that would be significant," he said.
 

Rauf

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I am not sure why US will complain, or how it can persude France to not sell, as US is selling Fighter, radars and Missile to PAF. I think its some banana republic writer (anti China/Pak) trying to stir up issue as it hurts the interests of the party they represents (India or Taiwan.)
 

dollarman

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It seems pretty interesting that China is simply allowing Pakistan go ahead and pursue European hardware, when they could have easily required the Pakistani's to buy Chinese missles along with JF-17 as a precondition.

More than likely the technology will end up in Chinese hands. Now, if Pakistan is into French MRAAMs, the likely product is the MBDA MICA, which coincidentally is also used by the ROCAF. It's quite a capable missile. The U.S may kick and whine at the deal, but the reality is that they can't stop it. The French arn't really that interested in upholding the embargo, and the closeness between Pakistan and China ensures ToT can occur unoticed(as it has before with F-16s and such). Now, if we start seeing a new PLA MRAAM with features such as TVC system, then we can almost be certain they got a peak.
 
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