JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[rhino123]

It seam as if this aircraft could be a good stopgap for countries that cannot afford a 4th generation fighter and need to get something in the air until they can acquire replacements.

Thank you,

Actually JF-17 is intented for many third world country that operated the Mig-21 or J-7 (F-7) in their air force to upgrade. It is a good and capable fighter and under capable hands, it can even prove to be quite a handful against more modern fighters.

Thus coupling the following,

1) Good avionic, upgradable and so provide a large future possibility.
2) Good weapon system package
3) Adequate engine power
4) Overall upgradable and modificable platform that make the aircraft very versatile and flexible.
5) Cheap.
6) I believe they actually share quite a number of similar components for Mig-21 and/or J-7 (F-7), it would make logistic simple for countries already operating Mig21 and/or J-7(F-7)

JF17 is a very tempting offer to third world country who couldn't afford first hand western aircrafts such as F-16, Gripen, F-18 etc.

 

[Quickie]

2) Do you think that this (fighter) version of the JL-9 will be a slightly lateral or upward improvement of the current version of the J-7?

Thank you,

WVR - The J-7 should be a better fighter than the JL-9. JL-9 should still have better aerodynamic performance than the earlier version of J-7 with the single delta wing.

BVR - JL-9 may have the advantage because of its larger radar.

 

[Miragedriver]

Actually JF-17 is intented for many third world country that operated the Mig-21 or J-7 (F-7) in their air force to upgrade. It is a good and capable fighter and under capable hands, it can even prove to be quite a handful against more modern fighters.

Thus coupling the following,

1) Good avionic, upgradable and so provide a large future possibility.
2) Good weapon system package
3) Adequate engine power
4) Overall upgradable and modificable platform that make the aircraft very versatile and flexible.
5) Cheap.
6) I believe they actually share quite a number of similar components for Mig-21 and/or J-7 (F-7), it would make logistic simple for countries already operating Mig21 and/or J-7(F-7)

JF17 is a very tempting offer to third world country who couldn't afford first hand western aircrafts such as F-16, Gripen, F-18 etc.

Thank you for the reply. I had come to a similar conclusion that the JF-17 is the best inexpensive replacement for an aircraft in the Mirage III category, unless you can afford a J-10 . It also appears that this aircraft can be fitted with a variety of aviation suits that can be tailored to the client’s specific needs; additionally the aircraft is “fly-by-wire”.
It appears to me that with a proper radar and avionics this aircraft could conceivably carry out BVR missile launches, and would be much better than an updated, second hand, Mirage F-1. Any thoughts?

 

[plawolf]

Gentlemen,

This is my first posting on this blog. I have spend many hour read all of your very informative posts, and I have a few questions I would like to ask. Also please excuse my English, since it is not my first language.
My questions are as follows:

1) Will the new trainer (JL-9/FTC-2000) have a single seat fighter version in the works?
2) Do you think that this (fighter) version of the JL-9 will be a slightly lateral or upward improvement of the current version of the J-7?
3) With the enlarger nose cone could modern radar be fitter that can support the use of medium ranger AAM?
4) I have read that the cost of the JL-9 (single set) is around 12 million. If that is true why not just buy the JF-17 single seat and trainer version?

It seam as if this aircraft could be a good stopgap for countries that cannot afford a 4th generation fighter and need to get something in the air until they can acquire replacements.

Thank you,

Is there a reason you needed to post this exact same question in pretty much every Chinese military related thread?

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/air-force/exported-j-7-a-10-1457.html

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/air-force/jl-15-other-trainers-22-495.html

 

[Miragedriver]

Is there a reason you needed to post this exact same question in pretty much every Chinese military related thread?

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/air-force/exported-j-7-a-10-1457.html

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/air-force/jl-15-other-trainers-22-495.html

My apologies. I did not know if the first time the message was posted if the question registered, so I post a second time on another thread. Will not happen again.

 

[yehe]

I am still not sure what kind of radar the JF17 are using, either for the PLAAF or the PAF.

 

[plawolf]

My apologies. I did not know if the first time the message was posted if the question registered, so I post a second time on another thread. Will not happen again.

You don't owe me an apology mate.

Just seemed a bit odd and also makes it hard to keep track on what has been said if its spread out over three threads.

No doubt the mods will decide which thread is most appropriate and move all related posts there.

 

[rhino123]

Thank you for the reply. I had come to a similar conclusion that the JF-17 is the best inexpensive replacement for an aircraft in the Mirage III category, unless you can afford a J-10 . It also appears that this aircraft can be fitted with a variety of aviation suits that can be tailored to the client’s specific needs; additionally the aircraft is “fly-by-wire”.
It appears to me that with a proper radar and avionics this aircraft could conceivably carry out BVR missile launches, and would be much better than an updated, second hand, Mirage F-1. Any thoughts?

Agreed with you. The only problem with JF-17 now, is that the aircraft is relatively new. Although I believe they shared large amount of component with older aircraft type like the J-7 or Mig 21, it is still essentially new. And with any new product, there are bound to have some bugs that will be weeded out in time.

Lets just wait and see, from PAF experience with this aircraft

 

[Miragedriver]

True. It appears that the only way to really work out the “bugs” in a new system (short of actual combat) is to put the aircraft through its paces in intensive maneuvers and exercises against an already tested platform.
It will be interesting to see what the PLAAF will use in its avionics suite. I have read many conflicting claims, such as Russian, Italian or possibly domestic.
Do you think that the licensing problems with the Russian engine can be worked out? That could be a major limiting factor in foreign sales.

 

[Quickie]

Miragedriver, AFAIK, the very first few posts of newly registered member will not immediately appear for moderation reason. So, your post may be delayed depending on how soon your post was reviewed.