JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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Munir

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can anyone explain to me so that mean better or bad? if the RCS is 1m or 5m

The smaller the number the better the radar... So you can see something that size within distance x...

Just read that protypes had Chinese ejection seats. The delivered production examples have Martin Baker (first 50). The next batch will be a new game for all players so might be Chinese if the produce better...
 

Chaminuka

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Thanx for that... Got more like these for other RADARs (KLJ-6E/F, etc, etc)?

I saw the brochure here:
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. All credit goes to him. Considering that it was posted about 4 weeks ago, I suspect the brochure might be from Paris Air Show.

Using the RCS equation

5m2 @ 105+ km >> 1m2 @ 70+ km

I have been thinking about Jane's publication that max'ed the radar at 75km for 3sqm. ... ... I thinking there was some error by Janes or whoever gave them the info and gave "75km for 3sqm" instead of "75km for 1sqm". This would then be "112km for 5sqm" much closer to the ">105km for 5sqm" given in the brochure.
 
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Hyperwarp

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I have been thinking about Jane's publication that max'ed the radar at 75km for 3sqm. ... ... I thinking there was some error by Janes or whoever gave them the info and gave "75km for 3sqm" instead of "75km for 1sqm". This would then be "112km for 5sqm" much closer to the ">105km for 5sqm" given in the brochure.

Well the brochure says >= 105km for 5m2 target. Unless the brochure is an elaborate hoax, I'll certainly go by the brochure and not janes...
 

Baibar of Jalat

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Some news. It went quite for a while.

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First JF-17 fighter plane to roll out this month: CAS

BEIJING: The first state of the art JF-17 Thunder fighter plane produced in Kamra will roll out by the end of this month.

This was stated by Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman, Chief of the Air Staff (CAS), Pakistan Air force in an interview on Saturday.

“This will start a new era in Pak-China relationship, and aviation industry”, said CAS while talking to source.

Rao Qamar Suleman is currently here to attend the 60th anniversary of founding of PLAAF.

“Both China as well as PAF are attaching lot of importance to this project”, CAS Rao Qamar said.

The JF-17 fighter aircraft will help to replace the existing fleet of PAF comprising F-7, A-5 and all Mirage planes, he added.
 

Munir

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Well the brochure says >= 105km for 5m2 target. Unless the brochure is an elaborate hoax, I'll certainly go by the brochure and not janes...

Translate that to the Pakistani network... There you have Erieye (within a month) you have several long range ground radars and numerous medium to short range radars which all are connected to eachother. Often with multiple radars able to handle same area. Pakistani has a depth of max a few hundred kilometers. So with JF17 abkle to handle network and able to track with the max range of its BVR you have something to be good enough. It also means that your opponent will not be able to sniff your radar untill first BVR starts attacking it.

Put it simplistic. What is the added value of the double range if you already can scan every ground and air movement within 300 km from the border?
 

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Well the brochure says >= 105km for 5m2 target. Unless the brochure is an elaborate hoax, I'll certainly go by the brochure and not janes...

don't think that really is a big deal. 75 km vs 3 sqm target and 105 km vs 5 sqm target is about the same. You are just nitpicking too much if you make a deal otherwise.
 

Hyperwarp

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don't think that really is a big deal. 75 km vs 3 sqm target and 105 km vs 5 sqm target is about the same. You are just nitpicking too much if you make a deal otherwise.

About the same? 3m2 @ 75km is roughly 5m2 @ 85km (compared to 5m2 @ at least 105km). Nitpicking? Yeah, Maybe :eek: :eek: Off-course modern warfare doesn't happen 1-on-1. As 'Munir' put it you get plenty of other & more important entities. Ground based RADAR, AWACS etc, etc. So what does that added few km give...? Assuming the fighter will use its RADAR in the first place. But I guess what I want to say is 'Janes' is not always right.
 

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About the same? 3m2 @ 75km is roughly 5m2 @ 85km (compared to 5m2 @ at least 105km). Nitpicking? Yeah, Maybe :eek: :eek: Off-course modern warfare doesn't happen 1-on-1. As 'Munir' put it you get plenty of other & more important entities. Ground based RADAR, AWACS etc, etc. So what does that added few km give...? Assuming the fighter will use its RADAR in the first place. But I guess what I want to say is 'Janes' is not always right.

actually, I made a mistake here, I thought the other poster was saying 3m^2 @ 75 km is equivalent to 5m^2 @ 112 km, which would be virtually the same as 105 km. Should've checked my math.
 

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China's "Falcon" and "Fierce Dragon" fighter is expected to export to Iraq


According to the International Network of Flight 17, the United Kingdom reported that China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC, referred to as "CATIC"), are working with several national consultations, aimed at their sales in China L-15 "Falcon" advanced jet trainer and the JF-17 fighters. Previously, the company has a variety of Chinese-made military aviation products to sell to the global market.
The report quoted the president of CATIC Ma Zhiping as saying: "These two fighters have five or six potential buyers, we are currently holding talks with those countries, but also the pilot of some of these countries have already conducted a flight test aircraft." Although it is impossible to determine when the first batch of the transaction will be reached, but added that Ma Zhiping will emerge within the next few years, a number of "traditional and non-traditional" consumers.

Reported that Ma Zhiping refused to reveal exactly which countries interested in purchasing these two fighters, only that these countries mainly from Africa, the Middle East, Asia and South America. The Dubai Airshow, the Chinese delegation, includingIraq, Sudan, Mauritania, United Arab Emirates, Nigeria, Pakistan and EgyptAnd other countries, including representatives of the two countries. Air Show outside, they met with from theThe Philippines, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and VenezuelaAnd other officials.

In response, Ma Zhiping, said: "Different countries have different needs, and we have to do is to try to satisfy them. This includes operations and capital needs. We will provide them with the other fighters than the market prices are more reasonable and better performance a strong fighter. In addition, the shortage of funds is our customer base one of the problems prevalent. most of them developing countries, very limited capacity to pay. At present, our company is working with the government to work together to help these countries to obtain low - interest-bearing loan. "

Reported that the JF-17 fighter planes and for potential customers, the Chinese side is ready to help them build aircraft assembly line, or allow them to manufacture components which fighter. This is similar to China and Pakistan on the JF-17 fighter planes to reach an agreement, as well as earlier on the K-8 intermediate trainer and light attack aircraft contract.

Ma Zhiping added: "For those who want to develop their national defense industry, we would like to help Pakistan and Egypt, as to help them. While the past 30 years, we have been sold out fighter, but until the last 10 years that we really began to flex its muscles in the international market. We are at this air show on the display of goods is twice as much on a sector, which indicates that our attitude is very serious. Moreover, the next few years, we will an impact on the military market. "(compiled: spring)
 
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