JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[challenge]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread

I think French radars are good, but I have doubts about the MICA. It's a small missile only 115kg, that's no bigger than a PL-8B. Put radar guidance on it, and its basically a radar guided short range AAMs. Maybe its BVR too, but I don't believe it would go that far on its boost phase. In comparison the AMRAAM is 150kg, the R-77 is 170kg, and the SD-10 is 180kg. The heavier the missile is, the most propellant it has, the longer the boost, the longer the range.

the radar is not even AESA radar,but a conventional slotted mechanical radar.
The us is over reacting -again.

 

[dollarman]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread

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What do you think about his assertion?

Are these French air-to-air missiles and radars even good?

It's not really a matter of how much technology China can copy from these electronics. They might pick up a few things here and there from MICA and the RC-400, but the main advantage is getting to look at the same equipment used by ROC forces.

 

[IceCold]

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Well pakistan was evaluating this new radar system from france but according to AC of PAF where he stated that the avonics already installed on the JF-17 with the klj radar fullfills the requirement of PAF. He even stated that KLJ is better then APG66 currently installed on the F-16s. And unless we have a better option from the west, we will go for the same. Besides the future upgrade for the JFs include an AESA radar. I think PAF will mount of it rather going for another pulse dopplar radar.

 

[IceCold]

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the radar is not even AESA radar,but a conventional slotted mechanical radar.
The us is over reacting -again.

The US is indeed over reacting here. Where they them selves are giving pakistan F-16s block 52 which is the most advance version of the F-16s compared to what we have, how can they possibly make such statements. These statements actually have more to do with political lobby specially the indian one then to actual ground reality. I dont think it will effect the military ties we have with france. France has already offered us quite a bit and they know how we work with the foreign technology.

 

[adeptitus]

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French made planes, tanks, radar, missiles, etc. aren't the best in the world in terms of specs, but they excel in other areas such as pilot/crew ergonomics, and high availability rate of its hardware for both purchases and maintenance requirements.

When you buy from France, they're far more willing to sell you a stockpile of parts and munitions. Look at Venezuela's F-16's and Serbian MiG-29's, as soon as the parts delivery stopped, the planes and its systems quickly fails within few years. In comparison, Libyan Mirages were still flying after a decade of arms embargo.

With respect of Taiwan and MICA missile, the MICA might not be as capable as the latest AIM-120, but France was willing to sell them 960 rounds with only 60 aircraft. If Taiwan buys 60 F-16's today, does anyone honestly think the US would sell them 960 AIM-120's?

To best of my knowledge the export RDY radar isn't that advanced. It can detect fighter sized target at ~90 km range and slave 2-4 x MICA AAM's to target. But it's probably on par or better to what's equipped on the JF-17/FC-1 today. But since Taiwan use these, they're depending on uncle sam to block France from selling them to the Pakistanis in fear that the PLAAF would get its dibs on it.

 

[zyun8288]

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Rumor says WS13 has passed the 450hr long duration test, which is the last major hurdle before certification according to china's engine test standard.

although I would not rush to declare it's ready, it has passed the most difficult stage. Given the nature of the whole project, if needed, it can enter mass production for FC1 within 1-2 years.

 

[tphuang]

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Rumor says WS13 has passed the 450hr long duration test, which is the last major hurdle before certification according to china's engine test standard.

although I would not rush to declare it's ready, it has passed the most difficult stage. Given the nature of the whole project, if needed, it can enter mass production for FC1 within 1-2 years.

not surprising since it reportedly started the 300 hour long duration test earlier this year. CD is totally all over this news.

But it's still not as big the possible WS-10 upgraded news.

 

[tphuang]

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more on this, a picture of the technology certification of WS-13?
If we go by the progress of WS-10, then 2008 will be a year a low rate production and the mass production will be done starting in 2009.

 

[紫影QQ]

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I have a novice question.

What is the difference between a FC-1 and a JF-17 Thunder, spec and appearance wise?

 

[kickars]

Re: New JF-17/FC-1 thread

I have a novice question.

What is the difference between a FC-1 and a JF-17 Thunder, spec and appearance wise?

As far as I know that FC-1 is a Chinese name. Because there isn't a single Chinese version of this plane at the moment so FC-1 is till only a name. However, not only is JF-17 a name, but also a actual plane.