JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[tphuang]

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China buys Russian engines for its fighter plane
China, which has not found a Western supplier, has decided to buy Russian engines for its FC-1 Xiaolong multirole fighter plane, a rival of Russia's MiG-29 in developing countries.
In late December 2009, Russian state arms exporter Rosoboronexport signed a contract with China to deliver 43 RD-93 engines, a modification of the RD-33 engines mounted on the MiG-29 planes.
Aviaport, a news agency of the Russian aircraft industry, reported yesterday that China would receive the engines by the end of the year and that the first 25 engines had been manufactured at the Chernyshev mechanical engineering enterprise in Moscow. The agency said another contract could be signed in May for 100 such engines.
A manager at one of Russia's producers of aircraft engines said the December contract was worth $160 million.
The contract has completed a framework agreement signed in 2006 to deliver 100 RD-93 engines to China. Russia has already supplied 57 such engines, said Konstantin Makiyenko, an analyst with the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
The engines are to be mounted on the FC-1 fighter planes, which China makes for export. It signed the first contract for 150 such aircraft with Pakistan, where the fighter plane is assembled.
A more complicated and expensive fighter designed for the Chinese Air Force in the past two decades, J-10, also has a Russian engine, AL-31FN, Makiyenko said. The latest contract for the delivery of 122 such engines, worth approximately $500 million, was signed in January 2009.
The FC-1 is the biggest rival of Russia's MiG-29 Fulcrum in developing countries, the analyst said. However, the Russian plane won the first direct competition in Myanmar, which decided to buy 20 MiG-29s for 400 million euros in December 2009 even though China offered better terms for a mixed delivery of the FC-1 and J-10 planes.
"China has more than once said that it has created an engine for its planes, but this is unlikely because it continues to buy Russian engines," Makiyenko said.
China has no alternative for the Russian engines, said Mikhail Barabanov, editor-in-chief of Moscow Defense Brief. The United States will not supply such engines to China so as not to strengthen its opponent, while the EU does not deliver military equipment to China due to sanctions, he said.
According to Barabanov, the delivery of engines, which are a key element of aircraft, is a good opportunity for Russia to prevent Chinese aircraft from becoming a big rival of Russian planes.
The FC-1 (Fighter China-1) Xiaolong is the result of a joint Chinese-Pakistani development program that started in 1999, with each side contributing 50% of the total development cost.

interesting part on the delivery schedule of RD-93 engine. They obviously had to bash China a little bit in there, but if you can read past that, it contains some useful info.

 

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China buys Russian engines for its fighter plane
China, which has not found a Western supplier, has decided to buy Russian engines for its FC-1 Xiaolong multirole fighter plane, a rival of Russia's MiG-29 in developing countries.
In late December 2009, Russian state arms exporter Rosoboronexport signed a contract with China to deliver 43 RD-93 engines, a modification of the RD-33 engines mounted on the MiG-29 planes.
Aviaport, a news agency of the Russian aircraft industry, reported yesterday that China would receive the engines by the end of the year and that the first 25 engines had been manufactured at the Chernyshev mechanical engineering enterprise in Moscow. The agency said another contract could be signed in May for 100 such engines.
A manager at one of Russia's producers of aircraft engines said the December contract was worth $160 million.
The contract has completed a framework agreement signed in 2006 to deliver 100 RD-93 engines to China. Russia has already supplied 57 such engines, said Konstantin Makiyenko, an analyst with the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.
The engines are to be mounted on the FC-1 fighter planes, which China makes for export. It signed the first contract for 150 such aircraft with Pakistan, where the fighter plane is assembled.
A more complicated and expensive fighter designed for the Chinese Air Force in the past two decades, J-10, also has a Russian engine, AL-31FN, Makiyenko said. The latest contract for the delivery of 122 such engines, worth approximately $500 million, was signed in January 2009.
The FC-1 is the biggest rival of Russia's MiG-29 Fulcrum in developing countries, the analyst said. However, the Russian plane won the first direct competition in Myanmar, which decided to buy 20 MiG-29s for 400 million euros in December 2009 even though China offered better terms for a mixed delivery of the FC-1 and J-10 planes.
"China has more than once said that it has created an engine for its planes, but this is unlikely because it continues to buy Russian engines," Makiyenko said.
China has no alternative for the Russian engines, said Mikhail Barabanov, editor-in-chief of Moscow Defense Brief. The United States will not supply such engines to China so as not to strengthen its opponent, while the EU does not deliver military equipment to China due to sanctions, he said.
According to Barabanov, the delivery of engines, which are a key element of aircraft, is a good opportunity for Russia to prevent Chinese aircraft from becoming a big rival of Russian planes.
The FC-1 (Fighter China-1) Xiaolong is the result of a joint Chinese-Pakistani development program that started in 1999, with each side contributing 50% of the total development cost.

interesting part on the delivery schedule of RD-93 engine. They obviously had to bash China a little bit in there, but if you can read past that, it contains some useful info.

 

[Infra_Man99]

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interesting part on the delivery schedule of RD-93 engine. They obviously had to bash China a little bit in there, but if you can read past that, it contains some useful info.

I like the Russian attitude (Haha, we're still better!). It's healthy competition or good motivation for China.

If China cannot produce last generation jet engines for today, then China still has major problems when it comes to jet engine engineering. The problem could be mass production, getting the right ratio of resources, research and development, politics, and so on. Any excuse is still a bad excuse for an ambitious nation like China.

I read China is ramping up its research and development in various sectors, especially for the military, because China is finally realizing they need to pour money into R&D if they want to be a leader instead of always being second best. If China greatly boosts its R&D while gathering information and technology from the world, China should have no problems with cutting-edge technology or inventing a full range of solutions. Even then, China's annual R&D money only represents like 15% to 20% of the world's R&D money. The rest is mostly the US (leads in R&D spending), Europe, Japan, South Korea, and Russia. China's modern R&D is also less experienced.

 

[A.Man]

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JF-17's Shipped to Pakistan by leased Russian Plane.

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[mean_bird]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

It looks like PAF is going for Thales and MBDA for electronics, radar and missiles for the next 100 planes.

We may see the formal announcement and details soon.

 

[Deino]

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JF-17 Shipped Pakistan by leased Russian Plane.

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Does anyone knows the numbers of these planes ??

Deino

 

[Munir]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Anyone more informed about 100+ Fc1 deal with Egypt (production line setup in Egypt)?

Thanks.

Deino,

There is a detailled planning of how many planes are delivered in these condition. It is now 3 in the beginning and will move towards 6 (every 3 months).

 

[Lion]

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Anyone more informed about 100+ Fc1 deal with Egypt (production line setup in Egypt)?

Thanks.

Where did you get the rumour of 100 FC-1 with Egypt? I don't think there is any news or info of it. All is rumour at the moment.

They did show interest of it but nothing fruitful.

 

[Baibar of Jalat]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Where did you get the rumour of 100 FC-1 with Egypt? I don't think there is any news or info of it. All is rumour at the moment.

They did show interest of it but nothing fruitful.

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Negotations are underway but not sure which jet is it? Seems like JF 17 is a strong possibility.

 

[mean_bird]

Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

First squadron of the JF-17 was officially handed over to PAF today.

Apparently, it comprises of 14 aircrafts (for now) and a few will be added in the coming weeks. Also atleast one paper reported (credibility?) that the JF-17 has participated in targeting extremists in operations near afghan border with PGMs.

These planes will be forming the No. 26 Squadron based in Peshawar and replacing the A-5.

R.I.P A-5 and thank you for all the years you have sincerely served my country.