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Jeff Head

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oops, I thought I had seen an image of the Kaga with a Sea RAM in the bow before posting
Thursday at 6:44 PM

but I'm unable to find now what I saw then LOL (probably was some CGI) and I of course have to acknowledge I got a good answer for a wrong reason LOL!
I believe both are armed the same with:

1 x Phalanx 20mm CIWS on the aft starboard quarter
1 x SeaRAM on the aft Port quarter
1 x Phalanx 20mm CIWS on the Starboard Bow
1 x SeaRAM on the starboard, amidships ahead of the island

183-Izumob.jpg 184-Kagab.jpg JMSDF_DDH-183_SeaRam.JPG

I personally wish they had that PLUS the 8 cells loaded with quad packed ESSMs like the Hyuga class has. That would add 32 medium ranged anti-air missiles in addition to the other CIWS defenses.
 

Iron Man

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In the 2017 DoD report about china, the type 055 destroyer is considered a cruiser. Why is it so?

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Just ask the Japanese why they call the Hyuga a "helicopter carrying destroyer". Or why the Spanish call the F100 a "frigate" but the Australians call their identical version a "destroyer". We all know what a thing should be called just by looking at it, but what it actually ends up being called is all about politics.
 

FORBIN

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Just ask the Japanese why they call the Hyuga a "helicopter carrying destroyer". Or why the Spanish call the F100 a "frigate" but the Australians call their identical version a "destroyer". We all know what a thing should be called just by looking at it, but what it actually ends up being called is all about politics.
Hyuga and Izumo are the successors of Haruna and Shirane DDG classes with 3 helos so can make sense after other reasons
And the Type 055 is a Cruiser any good expert will tell you :)

DDG is mainly more politicaly correct
 
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Iron Man

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Hyuga and Izumo are the successors of Haruna and Shirane DDG classes with 3 helos so can make sense after other reasons
And the Type 055 is a Cruiser any good expert will tell you :)

DDG is mainly more politicaly correct
There is no good reason to call Hyuga and Izumo "destroyers" just because they "succeeded" Haruna and Shirane. The Hyuga and Izuma are carriers any good expert will you :)
 

Jeff Head

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There is no good reason to call Hyuga and Izumo "destroyers" just because they "succeeded" Haruna and Shirane. The Hyuga and Izuma are carriers any good expert will you :)
YEs, but they did replace those older DDH classes which were designed to carry three helos...so they were able to easily call them that leaing into the budgeting and approval, and ten leave the designation in place...even though it is clear that they are ftat-tops. Best they might do is call it a CVH.

I am pretty sure the Hyuga class will never have anything other than helos and Opsreys. it is also possible that that may be the case with the Izunos too...but I believe the Izumos would lend themselves to F-35Bs if the Japanese really wanted them too.

At the same time, all four of them are going to be very strong ASW pack leaders for the various flotillas the JMSDF uses for ASW and they may elect to build the other class we have heard chatter about that would be larger still and be built from the outset to be a carrier for F-35Bs.
 

FORBIN

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Well, of those three, it looks like to me that the 1st one (nearest to us) of the three is a Sōryū class, then a Oyashio class, and then another Sōryū class
For me yes Soryu have mainly rudder in X with a more rounded shape at the bottom of the sail and the hull a bit different
In the night but even day always more difficult with submarines to recognize when the classes are close for look.
 
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