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Blackstone

Blackstone

Brigadier
SamuraiBlue said:
Doubt it. Here is a chart of the top items Australia exports to mainland China.
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Basically they are mostly natural resources that are difficult to substitute from other sources from a cost perspective.Bottom line PRC relies more on Australia then Australia relies PRC.
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Wow, this one is so far off the path of facts and reason, it makes me wonder if you're jesting. So, tell me something Blue (hopefully seriously and honestly), do you seriously believe what you're espousing, or are you arguing just to argue? If the latter, then we can both have a chuckle and move on.
 
Equation

Equation

Lieutenant General
SamuraiBlue said:
Doubt it. Here is a chart of the top items Australia exports to mainland China.
australia+china+exports_20150706100731.png


Basically they are mostly natural resources that are difficult to substitute from other sources from a cost perspective.Bottom line PRC relies more on Australia then Australia relies PRC.
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Japan relies on China for rare earth minerals export though, along with the US and Australia as well. Something like close to 100%?o_O

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China is the world's largest iron ore producer. I actually share similar sentiments; China cannot be economically independent when it comes to resources, but as a relative pointed out, its position is much unlike that of pre-war Japan in that it has significant resource extraction on its own territory.
 
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I will say, however, that the DMU-25 an DMU-26 are extremely attractive planes. The use of the canted tailfin is innovative and interesting.
 
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taxiya

Brigadier
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SamuraiBlue said:
Doubt it. Here is a chart of the top items Australia exports to mainland China.
australia+china+exports_20150706100731.png


Basically they are mostly natural resources that are difficult to substitute from other sources from a cost perspective.Bottom line PRC relies more on Australia then Australia relies PRC.
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That statement is a fallacy. "sounds valid, but not". Take Iron Ore as an example.

1. The chart says and ONLY says what Australia exports to China. Nothing more. Does it say the percentage of Australian share in the total Chinese Iron Ore import? No, it does not.

2. Do you know how much Iron Ore does China import from the 2nd largest exporter, Brazil?

Here is an article from Australian Government research on the topic of the "mining boom"
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And the chart of top exporters in 2012.
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3. The last question is, who else other than China has that kind of apatite for Iron Ore? Who is Australia going to rely on if not China?
Last and most important, you refuse once again to see that reliance is both ways, a road always has lanes for two directions.
 
SamuraiBlue

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Blackstone said:
Wow, this one is so far off the path of facts and reason, it makes me wonder if you're jesting. So, tell me something Blue (hopefully seriously and honestly), do you seriously believe what you're espousing, or are you arguing just to argue? If the latter, then we can both have a chuckle and move on.
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I guess you do not understand what global market means.
Steel is said to be the bread of modern society and is required through out the world. I don't know whether you are overestimating mainland China's or underestimating the world requirement.
Basically the world market will absorb any slack with pleasure what China may shed.
Second iron ore is only 45~55% iron and the rest is impurity meaning the cost of transport is doubled once refined into iron. Brazil is twice the distance from Australia meaning the cost of transportation becomes 4 times meaning the price will rise as well. That is what I meant by cost perspective.

Basically China does have much influence in terms of Australian governmental decision making and would be foolish to say otherwise.

Now can we go back to the topic of this thread, Japan Military News?
 
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Blackstone

Blackstone

Brigadier
SamuraiBlue said:
I guess you do not understand what global market means.
Steel is said to be the bread of modern society and is required through out the world. I don't know whether you are overestimating mainland China's or underestimating the world requirement.
Basically the world market will absorb any slack with pleasure what China may shed.
Second iron ore is only 45~55% iron and the rest is impurity meaning the cost of transport is doubled once refined into iron. Brazil is twice the distance from Australia meaning the cost of transportation becomes 4 times meaning the price will rise as well. That is what I meant by cost perspective.

Basically China does have much influence in terms of Australian governmental decision making and would be foolish to say otherwise.

Now can we go back to the topic of this thread, Japan Military News?
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I guess you don't understand what overcapacity means.

You started with a claim China doesn't have good cost-based options for Australia's natural and renewable resources, and it seems you realized that might have been a mistake, ergo you obfuscate by switching topic to steel-making. Okay, let's talk steel.

China has way more steel production capacity than the world can absorb (yes, the world), leading to efforts to reduce that capacity. Closing the loop by coming back to Australia; lower Chinese demand for ore has already resulted in mine closures, and under that circumstance, the buyer (China) has the advantage over the seller (Australia). Finally, China is Australia's biggest export customer by far, and Australian officials readily admit the country depends on China for its economic well being. Bottom line is there's a middle power depending on the largess of a great power, so the claim PRC relies more on Australia and not the other way around is wrong on facts and poorly reasoned.

Sure, we could get back to Japan military news, but try and remember you were the one that took my post on Japan military sales off topic.
 
SamuraiBlue

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Blackstone said:
I guess you don't understand what overcapacity means.

You started with a claim China doesn't have good cost-based options for Australia's natural and renewable resources, and it seems you realized that might have been a mistake, ergo you obfuscate by switching topic to steel-making. Okay, let's talk steel.

China has way more steel production capacity than the world can absorb (yes, the world), leading to efforts to reduce that capacity. Closing the loop by coming back to Australia; lower Chinese demand for ore has already resulted in mine closures, and under that circumstance, the buyer (China) has the advantage over the seller (Australia). Finally, China is Australia's biggest export customer by far, and Australian officials readily admit the country depends on China for its economic well being. Bottom line is there's a middle power depending on the largess of a great power, so the claim PRC relies more on Australia and not the other way around is wrong on facts and poorly reasoned.

Sure, we could get back to Japan military news, but try and remember you were the one that took my post on Japan military sales off topic.
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The only use of iron ore is to extract steel so they are basically interchangeable.
Steel production is done through out the world and production of one nation would basically pick up from if another nation's export prices were to go up which will happen when China tries to import more iron ore from Brazil.(If Brazil is able to answer demand from China that is.)
Lastly you were the one that pulled the first punch about Australia's decision based on China's imaginary influence through economic ties.
The decision was made on basis that France will develop all the subs in SA and senator from SA, Mr.Nick Xenophon demanded it has to be developed at ASC like all newspaper reported and not some self made presumptions.
Why not stick to the topic at hand and not pull low blows from now on shall we?
 
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