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Japan air force chief faces sack


The head of the Japanese air force is to be sacked after saying the country was not an aggressor in World War II, Japan's defence minister said.

Yasukazu Hamada said Gen Toshio Tamogami's views, written in an essay, ran counter to the government's position on the war.

"Therefore it is inappropriate for him to remain in this position," he told a news conference.

The general's views are likely to anger many of Japan's neighbours.

China, North and South Korea and other Asian nations still have traumatic memories of Japan's aggression and colonial rule.

"What he said was inappropriate for an air chief of staff," said Mr Hamada.

"He should not remain in the job."

Gen Tamogami, 60, is chief of staff of Japan's Air Self-Defence Force.

In his essay on the theme of "true views of modern history", he wrote: "Even now, there are many people who think that our country's 'aggression' caused unbearable suffering to the countries of Asia during the Greater East Asia War.

"But we need to realise that many Asian countries take a positive view of the Greater East Asia War.

"It is certainly a false accusation to say that our country was an aggressor nation."

World War II in the Asia-Pacific region is referred to as the Greater East Asia War by those who saw it as Asian nations seeking independence from Western powers.

Well, truth is he's far from the only one in Japan that holds that view, dur to Japanese school book mostly discribe history in this way.
Anyway, Toshio Tamogami got fired not because of this, but mainly because he said Japan was snared into the war by USA conspirasy, and Japan was not a agressor vs. USA, but US is in a sence the real aggressor..
Although this incident seems to confirm US's hold over Japan since the end of WW2 is still valid even now.
 
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Mr T

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Although this incident seems to confirm US's hold over Japan since the end of WW2 is still valid even now.

Huh, you can't conclude that from what happened. That's an unfounded guess. The guy made some comments and was fired because of them. The US couldn't care that much about such comments - Asian countries are far more sensitive.
 

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Gents lets keep the discussion the Japanese SDF. Not any posible unfounded political theories.

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Mr T

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Further to my last post on Japan's F-X project, it looks like the final push for the F-22 is happening.
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Japan is making a final push to buy the Lockheed Martin F-22 from the USA, and its defence minister has confirmed that Tokyo will consider alternatives including non-US fighters if the attempt fails.

"We are still seeking the possibility of acquiring the F-22, but if that does not work out, we will have to consider not just the [Lockheed] F-35, but others as options," Yasukazu Hamada told the Kyodo News Agency. "As of today, we still want to seek the F-22."

Within Washington, there are fresh calls to sell a fighter that Congress has barred from export due to its classified technology. US senator Daniel Inouye, who heads the Senate Appropriations Committee, supports a sale to Japan, the USA's closest military ally in east Asia.

In a recent letter to the Japanese ambassador, Inouye reportedly revealed that an export version of the F-22, which will come without the most sensitive technology, could cost $250 million. This includes the cost of developing an export model, something that would take up to five years. Deliveries would begin seven to nine years after a contract is signed, according to the US Air Force estimate.

Japan has said that it wants to buy 50 fighters as part of its F-X requirement to replace its McDonnell Douglas F-4s, and the total bill for a Raptor acquisition could total $12.5 billion. Some observers, however, believe that Tokyo could go for fewer aircraft if it buys the F-22.

The unit cost would be much higher than the $150 million that the USAF paid for each aircraft in its last batch of four F-22s. US defence secretary Robert Gates said in April that the Department of Defense would halt production of the Raptor at 187 aircraft after ordering four more in fiscal year 2009.

Observers say that an export deal would allow Lockheed to keep its production line open and give Washington the option of buying additional F-22s in the future if it changes its mind.

Gates, however, opposes the sale and believes that Japan should instead consider the F-35, which has less stealth capability. The Pentagon, reiterating that US laws do not allow F-22 exports, adds: "That's why the secretary made the further point to his Japanese counterpart that the F-35 is the plane which we are pursuing and the plane that we would recommend the Japanese focus their efforts in terms of procuring in the future."

Apart from the F-22 and F-35, Tokyo has also asked for information on Boeing's F-15SE and F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, and the Eurofighter Typhoon as part of its F-X process. It could choose one of these as an interim solution in the event of delays to the Joint Strike Fighter.

I think we can all agree it's very unlikely a deal for even an "export version" of the F-22 could take place, so it boils down to the other competitors. I doubt it will take Japan that long to make a choice once it gives up on the Raptor.

So the only question is, what would be best for the ASDF out of the remaining planes? I'm not sure how the F-4EJ can soldier on, so even with a decision delayed it's unclear whether the F-35 would be available. Quite a few countries are ahead of Japan in the queue already.
 

Ambivalent

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Further to my last post on Japan's F-X project, it looks like the final push for the F-22 is happening.
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I think we can all agree it's very unlikely a deal for even an "export version" of the F-22 could take place, so it boils down to the other competitors. I doubt it will take Japan that long to make a choice once it gives up on the Raptor.

So the only question is, what would be best for the ASDF out of the remaining planes? I'm not sure how the F-4EJ can soldier on, so even with a decision delayed it's unclear whether the F-35 would be available. Quite a few countries are ahead of Japan in the queue already.

No queue for the Japanese. They build copies of US fighters like the F-15 at home. I'm certain the US does not want them to have the ability to design, test and manufacture such high level technology however so a foreign content F-22 is a pipe dream. One other consideration, secretary Gates wants to nail the coffin shut on the F-22. The last thing he wants to see is that production line stay open. It would be too tempting for Congress to put more F-22's into the Air Force procurement budget at some time in the future, especially if Lockheed Martin "lowered the price" ho-ho. I'm not saying I agree with the secretary, but I think that is his and his staff's rationale. The Aussies have been lobbying for them too.
 

Mr T

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No queue for the Japanese. They build copies of US fighters like the F-15 at home.

Doesn't mean they would necessarily be able to get the same sort of deal here. But even if they could, the programme's overall delays mean the F-35 would still be too late.

The Aussies have been lobbying for them too.

They gave up on it, though.
 

Ambivalent

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Wouldn't surprise me to see the JASDF buy or license build some Silent Eagles as a stop gap. Boeing has been trying to interest the USN in a stealthified F/A-18E/F to cover the fighter gap there, claiming they have some "sixth generation" stealth fighter in the works. Reminds me of how BMW sells cars, sell the young worker a 3 Series now and hope they step up to a 5 and later 7 Series as their purchasing power, and waistline, expand.
 

Mr T

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Wouldn't surprise me to see the JASDF buy or license build some Silent Eagles as a stop gap.

If it's all that it's cracked to be, quite possibly. But when does the current programme (assuming no slips) assume it will be fully tested and ready for full-scale production? For the F-4JE replacement project Japan can't wait that long.
 

Ambivalent

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Program schedule is directly proportional to the amount of money someone wants to spend to make it happen. Of course, there is the old saying "if you want it bad you'll get it bad" :-o
 

Semi-Lobster

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Rise from your grave ancient thread! There's some rumours afoot!

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Strategy Page said:
Scorned Japan Turns To The Familiar F-2

July 28, 2010: Unable to buy the American F-22, and wary of the continuing delays (and rising costs) of the F-35 program, Japan has decided to buy another 50 locally made F-2s. This is a Japanese F-16 variant, with a 25 percent larger wing area and better electronics. The 22 ton F-2 carries nearly nine tons of bombs, has a top speed of 2,100 kilometers an hour, and a combat radius of 1,000 kilometers. This plane is twice as expensive (at $110 each) as the F-16, and part of that is due to the better electronics (like an AESA radar) but mostly this is due to higher production costs in Japan. The F-2 has been in service since 2000 and 98 have been built so far.

The F-2 pilots are well trained, although it wasn’t until three years ago that an F-2 was able to drop live bombs. This was because Japan has no training facility in its own territory for live bombings. Thus it's only when Japanese warplanes are flown to foreign training areas, that they can they practice using real bombs. For this practice bombing, the Japanese F-2 aircraft flew to an American air base in Guam, in the Central Pacific.

This Japanese policy is nothing new. In the last sixty years, there have been only three times where Japanese warplanes dropped live munitions. The rest of the time, they practice with inert munitions, and simulated (by computer) bombs. Japanese aircraft have not been in combat since World War II, so there's no way of knowing if their training practices have had an adverse effect on combat effectiveness.

Japan is concerned with the growing belligerence of China and North Korea, plus a simmering territorial dispute with Russia. So more warplanes are needed, just in case.

If this information is correct then not only is this a major development for reviving Mitsubishi military sectors which are nearly completely atrophied, but also the JASDF who know must structure their air force without the F-22 or F-35, F-X competition (why bother procuring a new type of fighter when F-2 production has resumed) and the F-35 program as a whole (if a major potential buyer like Japan is dropping out then what does that mean for other countries considering the F-35?)
 
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