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SamuraiBlue

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Blackstone said:
Samurai, having the items you listed above would have been helpful, but there's something about doing one's own R&D and developing one's own hardware and software that gives one the kind of security and independence not available if great aide was given. Also, developing one's own gear means no strings could be attached. I think Japan is only disadvantaged in the short-term by what you called US "shaft," and will likely gain more in the long-run.
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I don't understand what you are driving at.
The joint development was a complete one way street in which Japan got the short end of the stick with a large bill attached. The US certainly played us with little assistance making the "Joint" part a sham. At one point Congress even tried to halt the export of the engine for the plane.
No way is that going to happen again and you can see that Japan started developing their own equipments from there on.
 
Miragedriver

Miragedriver

Brigadier
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Japanese Self-Defence Force soldiers conduct rescue operations near the peak of deadly volcano Mount Ontake. The death toll from Japan's worst volcanic eruption in decades is likely to rise to 46 after after around 10 more bodies were discovered at the summit after the eruption at the weekend, local media said.
Picture: REUTERS/Kyodo



I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 
Blackstone

Blackstone

Brigadier
SamuraiBlue said:
I don't understand what you are driving at.
The joint development was a complete one way street in which Japan got the short end of the stick with a large bill attached. The US certainly played us with little assistance making the "Joint" part a sham. At one point Congress even tried to halt the export of the engine for the plane.
No way is that going to happen again and you can see that Japan started developing their own equipments from there on.
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I think we're saying similar things, just in different ways. As for recovering R&D from the joint project, Japanese scientists, engineers, technicians, and military personnel must have absorbed much of the project developments as they happened, and can't be shutout of the majority of the intellectual property.
 
S

Skywatcher

Captain
Looks like they want to change the last four Soryus to Lithium ion batteries. It probably won't raise the cost per hull too much, though it make result in a delay, depending on how things work out.
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
Miragedriver said:
Japan again looks to get domestic fighter jet off ground

Asian Review -- TOKYO -- The Japanese government is embarking on an ambitious quest to develop an entirely domestic fighter jet for the first time since the end of World War II.
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Well, the Japanese have developed quite a few jet aircraft that they built in Japan since world War II

The T-1, built by Fuji, was Japan's first indeginous jet aircraft. It was a subsonic trainer aircraft. It first flew in 1958. 66 were built and the last aircraft was retired in 2005.

The T-2, built by Mitsubishi, was the follow on, indgenous trainer. It was twin engined and supersonic. It's first flight was in 1975 and it was retired in 2006. 90 aircraft were built.

The F-1, built by Mitsubishi, was Japan's first indegenous jet fighter. It was a supoersonic, twin engine aircraft that was a derivitive of the T-2 trainer. It first flew in 1977 and was retired in 2006. 77 total aircraft were built.

The T-4, built by Kawasaki, is a two-engine, subsonic, intermediate trainer that the Japanese built to replace their T-33, US built trainers, and the Japanese T-1 trainer. First flight was in 1985 and went operational in 1988. 212 were built.

The F-2, built by Mistubishi and Lockheed, which most people believe is just a copy of the F-16, is really not. First flight was in 1995 and it went into service in 2000. A total of 99 were built and it is still in service.

The program did involve a LOT of joint development and technology transfer to Japan from the US. Lockheed was a co-devloper/builder. But the F-2 does havea number of important differences to the F-16, including:

- A 25% larger wing
- A larger vertical stabilizor/tailplane
- A lot of special, composite materials to reduce overall weight and radar signature
- A larger air intake
- A longer, wider nose for the J/APG-1/J/APG-2 AESA radar. The F-2 was the 1st operational aircraft in the world to use an AESA radar, coming in before the F-22 Raptor’s AN/APG-77 AESA radar.
- A 3 piece cockpit canopy

This is essentially an updated and modernize actual build, in Japan, of the original Lockheed Agile Falcon proposal to upgrade the Falcon in the late 1980s...but, as I say, modernized and significantly upgraded. So, there's a lot of uniqueness to the Japanese F-2.

The P-1, built by Kawasaki, is the new generation Japanese Maritime patrol aircraft. It is a four jet-engine aircraft. The Japanese desinged these aircraft themselves to replace their fleet of Loockheed P-3C Orion aircraft. Intially the Japanese were going to buy the Lockheed P-7 aircraft, which was the modernized and upgraded P-3. But when that program was cancelled and the US selected the P-8A Poseidon by Bpoing, the japanese elected to develop their own. The first aircraft flew in 2007, the first two production aircraft were deliverd to the JMSDF in 2013 (they had been built in 2009). Since that time, a total of 13 aircraft have been delivered which are working up in the JMSDF testing and training program. Around 70 aircraft are planned.
 
Miragedriver

Miragedriver

Brigadier
Jeff Head said:
Well, the Japanese have developed quite a few jet aircraft that they built in Japan since world War II

The T-1, built by Fuji, was Japan's first indeginous jet aircraft. It was a subsonic trainer aircraft. It first flew in 1958. 66 were built and the last aircraft was retired in 2005.

The T-2, built by Mitsubishi, was the follow on, indgenous trainer. It was twin engined and supersonic. It's first flight was in 1975 and it was retired in 2006. 90 aircraft were built.

The F-1, built by Mitsubishi, was Japan's first indegenous jet fighter. It was a supoersonic, twin engine aircraft that was a derivitive of the T-2 trainer. It first flew in 1977 and was retired in 2006. 77 total aircraft were built.

The T-4, built by Kawasaki, is a two-engine, subsonic, intermediate trainer that the Japanese built to replace their T-33, US built trainers, and the Japanese T-1 trainer. First flight was in 1985 and went operational in 1988. 212 were built.

The F-2, built by Mistubishi and Lockheed, which most people believe is just a copy of the F-16, is really not. First flight was in 1995 and it went into service in 2000. A total of 99 were built and it is still in service.

The program did involve a LOT of joint development and technology transfer to Japan from the US. Lockheed was a co-devloper/builder. But the F-2 does havea number of important differences to the F-16, including:

- A 25% larger wing
- A larger vertical stabilizor/tailplane
- A lot of special, composite materials to reduce overall weight and radar signature
- A larger air intake
- A longer, wider nose for the J/APG-1/J/APG-2 AESA radar. The F-2 was the 1st operational aircraft in the world to use an AESA radar, coming in before the F-22 Raptor’s AN/APG-77 AESA radar.
- A 3 piece cockpit canopy

This is essentially an updated and modernize actual build, in Japan, of the original Lockheed Agile Falcon proposal to upgrade the Falcon in the late 1980s...but, as I say, modernized and significantly upgraded. So, there's a lot of uniqueness to the Japanese F-2.

The P-1, built by Kawasaki, is the new generation Japanese Maritime patrol aircraft. It is a four jet-engine aircraft. The Japanese desinged these aircraft themselves to replace their fleet of Loockheed P-3C Orion aircraft. Intially the Japanese were going to buy the Lockheed P-7 aircraft, which was the modernized and upgraded P-3. But when that program was cancelled and the US selected the P-8A Poseidon by Bpoing, the japanese elected to develop their own. The first aircraft flew in 2007, the first two production aircraft were deliverd to the JMSDF in 2013 (they had been built in 2009). Since that time, a total of 13 aircraft have been delivered which are working up in the JMSDF testing and training program. Around 70 aircraft are planned.
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After reading your post it jarred my memory of what I knew and forgot. I feel embarrassed having posted that article. Cannot trust the media to get the facts correct.

I will now get back to bottling my Malbec
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
For Japanese Defense industry the biggest issue has been numbers and Specialty. The Japanese Anti defense export policy has caused even systems that would be common place in other armies to become highly specialized and expensive. And when it comes to heavy equipment like fighters the JDF contractors don't get the familiarity that American or European, Russia, Chinese builders do as once they get there people up to speed they end the production because the numbers have maxed out.
With such small orders production of JSDF systems causes the pricing of maintaining and production to soar, In Example the Price of a Japanese Minebea PM-9 Submachine Gun is roughly $3659.82 per unit, a IMI Uzi Pro a comparable Sub machine pistol based on the same design runs about $1,099.00. the the 300% markup the result of having to establish and maintain a production line for the limited batch orders. now the Japanese have done a lot of fighter programs but there orders were always small resulting in high pricing and short runs, the Mitsubish F2 was less then a 100 Units including prototypes the production run was over 6 years. the Run was probably helped by the fact that the T4 was still in production when F2 entered the assembly line. but now with both lines closed there high performance industry is closed. Other then Prototypes. The Kawasaki C1 first built 1970 Equivalent to the American C130. 31 built last unit built was in 1981. The C2 it's intended replacement started in about 2007 and is still at the cusp of production that means there is a 30 year window when they had no real large platform production.
 
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