Japan arrests Chinese fishing boat captains (Aug 2011)

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Schumacher

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Smart move by Japan. They should concentrate on their nuclear crisis and earthquake refugees, not on trying to distract attention with another international crisis.

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Japan Release Captains Of Two Chinese Trawlers
8/7/2011 2:01 AM ET

(RTTNews) - The saga of conflict continues in seas around southeast Asia. Two Chinese fishermen taken into custody by the Japanese coast guard a day earlier were released without being charged, according to reports. The two men were captains of two fishing trawlers that strayed into Japanese waters. They were taken into custody by coast guards for allegedly illegal fishing in the waters of Sea of Japan. Each of the fishing boats had a crew of 17 including the captain. The crews were all said to be Chinese nationals.

The two captains were returned to their trawlers Saturday evening after negotiations between the two countries.

Wang Fugui and Zheng Wenwu, the two captains of trawlers Lurongyu 1735 and Lurongyu 1736 respectively, were seized for fishing without permission in waters off the coast of Ishikawa Prefecture that falls within an exclusive economic zone of Japan.

The men were not taken to Japanese shore during negotiations and their trawlers too were not taken to any port.............................................
 
bladerunner

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
nosh said:
It seems you like my post at 16th a lot, then why don't you cite the whole post? Or are you afraid that would make you look like someone who can only back himself up by picking others words?
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Pal, This is the last time I'm going to bother replying over such a trivial matter.
1/It was the statement that you made in the first paragraph that is factually incorrect is what I had an issue with.

2/ In it you were clearly stated that incidences of illegal fishing go unreported which you later clarified by emphasising the lack of world media interest.

but When given the incident of the "Viarsa incident" in the first instance, you rejected the example because of too much media interest. (A case of clear contradiction and changing the parameteres to suit yourself, firstly not enough and now too much media attention. Whats it to be?) I have proven my point right now.


By the way I followed the Viarsa incident from when it was first anounced over the radio of the encounter during day1.

However I will take the trouble to remind you of the Diaoyu fishing incident which clearly caught the worlds attention and a host of other occassions between Vietnam/ China/Taiwan and so on.

Futhermore there is the case of the "North Sea Cod wars" of the 70's which involved illegal fishing which was reported around the world.
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Incidences of illegal fishing are well documented and presented to the United Nations which you can read about here

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(their rulings get world attention)

or You can access Greenpace and read all about their fight against illegal fishing some as recent as two months ago
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(They also get a lot of media coverage)

Or the Japanese whaling for scientific purposes which some consider illegal.

By the way where do you think a regional newspaper like the "Straittimes"get their stories from?. At a guess it would be purchased copy from a major news outlet most of the time.





Did I mention Reuter? Did I mention worldwide? It is BEFORE or AFTER you "replied to that particular point" which I suppose is post 20? Is there hypocrisy in your part now?[/QUOTE
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Mr T

Mr T

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Schumacher said:
Smart move by Japan. They should concentrate on their nuclear crisis and earthquake refugees, not on trying to distract attention with another international crisis.
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You know not every arrest of a Chinese person by officials of other countries/Japan is a conspiracy. It's quite normal for people to be arrested and then released without charge.

As for the idea Japan might conceivably use this to distract this from the aftermath of the Tsunami, you have to be joking.
 
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Schumacher

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Mr T said:
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As for the idea Japan might conceivably use this to distract this from the aftermath of the Tsunami, you have to be joking.
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Don't be so sure. Japan is a wounded beast now with fatal level of radiation detected, which may also be contaminating their main food source, rice.

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In a desperate move to create distraction, they've even started to target SKorea.
No doubt some of the hawks in Tokyo saw an opportunity with this latest arrest but seem to have gotten cold feet when China turned up the pressure.

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Japanese Lawmakers' Dokdo Mission Inspires Copycats

More rightwing Japanese lawmakers want to visit Korea to draw attention to Tokyo's dubious claim to the Dokdo islets. On Monday, three members of Japan's conservative Liberal Democratic Party were turned back at Gimpo Airport in Seoul on their way to Ulleung Island, the nearest easily accessible island to Dokdo, but managed to squeeze maximum publicity out of the situation by staging a sit-in that brought the Japanese ambassador to their side. ...........................................
 
Mr T

Mr T

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Schumacher said:
Don't be so sure. Japan is a wounded beast now
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A wounded beast? What a disgusting comment to make. If someone had said that about China people would be screaming here.

In a desperate move to create distraction, they've even started to target SKorea.
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What are you going on about? The Dokdo/Takeshima dispute has been going on for decades. Until there is a settlement it's always going to be in the news every so often. And I know it's hard for you to understand, but in a multi-party democracy legislators can act without government approval.

I know you don't like Japan because of its territorial disputes with China, but you're trying to fit square pegs in round holes because it suits your POV. Just stop digging away.
 
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nosh

Junior Member
bladerunner said:
Pal, This is the last time I'm going to bother replying over such a trivial matter.
1/It was the statement that you made in the first paragraph that is factually incorrect is what I had an issue with.

2/ In it you were clearly stated that incidences of illegal fishing go unreported which you later clarified by emphasising the lack of world media interest.

but When given the incident of the "Viarsa incident" in the first instance, you rejected the example because of too much media interest. (A case of clear contradiction and changing the parameteres to suit yourself, firstly not enough and now too much media attention. Whats it to be?) I have proven my point right now.


By the way I followed the Viarsa incident from when it was first anounced over the radio of the encounter during day1.

However I will take the trouble to remind you of the Diaoyu fishing incident which clearly caught the worlds attention and a host of other occassions between Vietnam/ China/Taiwan and so on.

Futhermore there is the case of the "North Sea Cod wars" of the 70's which involved illegal fishing which was reported around the world.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Incidences of illegal fishing are well documented and presented to the United Nations which you can read about here

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


(their rulings get world attention)

or You can access Greenpace and read all about their fight against illegal fishing some as recent as two months ago
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(They also get a lot of media coverage)

Or the Japanese whaling for scientific purposes which some consider illegal.

By the way where do you think a regional newspaper like the "Straittimes"get their stories from?. At a guess it would be purchased copy from a major news outlet most of the time.





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Nice try. Anything against you is irrelevant.

Are you trying to say that Reuters and western media are not biased against China in reporting fishing intrusions? Let me list your examples.

First you tried to equal the current normal fishing intrusion to a case that involving a dramatic thousand mile long chase.

Then you tried to equal the incident to Diaoyu incident that happened in a DISPUTED territory.

Then you tried to equal the incident to the "cod-war" that happened in a DISPUTED fishing area.

Then you tried to equal the incident to the cases involving endangered species.

Are these the best you can find?

The more you list, the clearer it shows that usually only special cases of fishing intrusion get wide media coverage.

The recent China incident does not involving any chasing drama, does not happen in disputed water, and there is no report of endangered species. It is a normal fishing intrusion that normally does not get widely reported.

Either you are not capable of seeing the difference, or you are disingenuous.
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bladerunner

bladerunner

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nosh said:
bladerunner said:
Nice try. Anything against you is irrelevant.

Are you trying to say that Reuters and western media are not biased against China in reporting fishing intrusions? Let me list your examples.

First you tried to equal the current normal fishing intrusion to a case that involving a dramatic thousand mile long chase.

Then you tried to equal the incident to Diaoyu incident that happened in a DISPUTED territory.

Then you tried to equal the incident to the "cod-war" that happened in a DISPUTED fishing area.

Then you tried to equal the incident to the cases involving endangered species.

Are these the best you can find?

The more you list, the clearer it shows that usually only special cases of fishing intrusion get wide media coverage.

The recent China incident does not involving any chasing drama, does not happen in disputed water, and there is no report of endangered species. It is a normal fishing intrusion that normally does not get widely reported.

Either you are not capable of seeing the difference, or you are disingenuous.
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Sigh.Looks like I have to backtrack on my resolution not to make any more comments on this matter.

1/ I understand fully what you said. There's no disingenuous interpretation on my part.
From the above post you have confirmed what I thought all along.
You're another person who lets his "China being persecuted complex," get in the way of sound judgement by trying to turn this into another China being picked on incident.

No matter what way you want to slice and dice, add your flavouring, then stir fry it, the current incident and the examples I have provided you with have one commonality which this topic is about."Illegal Fishing".

However if you want examples of preceding incidences of illegal fishing as reported by "Reuters" Im happy to oblige...............

Italy's illegal fishing threatens tuna species: WWF | Reuters

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- Somalia

Watch Reuters News Video Online - Illegal fishing endangers species - Zimbio

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- Southern Ocean

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- Greece

: Croatia seizes Italian trawler for illegal fishing

Australian blitz on fish poaching - Wikinews, the free news source (must read)

Plus there are another 50+ pages of REuters linked stories of illegal fishing(big and small events) in the past few years, of which only a few are CHina related.
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Lezt

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I agree with bladerunner,

Nosh, each and every incident have its own circumstance and outcome to make it unique. However there is merit in a comparison or use of it as a foundation for discussion. Because, if if it is a purely what you believe vs what I believe discussion, how far can it go?
 
Jeff Head

Jeff Head

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Well, apparently the Japanese have returned the vessels and their crews.

Here's a report of the initial event:

JapanToday said:
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Aug 6, 2011

Japan Coast Guard siexes two Chinese fishing boats and their crews for illegal fishing.

Trawlers Lurongyu 1735 and Lurongyu 1736 were carrying 17 Chinese crewmembers each.

The captains allegedly ignored the Japanese officials' order to stop for an inspection and tried to escape. The Coast Guard identified the captains as 26-year-old Wang Fugui and 35-year-old Zheng Wenwu.
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Here's a couple of pics of it happening and where it happened.

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And now an article regarding the release:

AsiaOne News said:
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Aug 9, 2011

Japanese authorities have released two Chinese trawlers and their crew after detaining them for suspected illegal fishing in the Sea of Japan last week, Chinese state media reported Monday.

The Japanese coast guard released the boats on Saturday after an agreement between the two countries, the Global Times daily reported, citing an unnamed Chinese embassy official in Japan.

The boats were seized on Friday. Japanese news agency Kyodo said each had 17 Chinese citizens on board and named the captains as Wang Fugui, 26, and Zheng Wenwu, 35.
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Seems like the two countries worked it out.
 
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airsuperiority

Captain
Mr T said:
You know not every arrest of a Chinese person by officials of other countries/Japan is a conspiracy. It's quite normal for people to be arrested and then released without charge.

As for the idea Japan might conceivably use this to distract this from the aftermath of the Tsunami, you have to be joking.
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I agree, that there are times where it's just simple "nothing personal" business concerning a typical situation rather than something sinister. if everything is so sinister..then oh man we'd be in WW20 already.

Plus, since this situation ended so fast, it's a proof that it's nothing out of ordinary. Anyways, moving on...
I'm glad that they can get these petty stuffs resolved nice and fast amidst a mediocre relationship period between both states.
 
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