Jane's Int. Defence Review on Chinese Missiles
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spc_ace said:
J-8 was given an upgrade to give it greater capabilities. It was very successful. But China is developing a cost effective modern export fighter in JF-17 with even better capabilities. It's true you could probably sell some of these J-8's to some developing countries in Africa, but most are probably going to want JF-17.
In regards to the topic. China has done good work in indigineous missile modernization. This is one area that I think China's focus is reaping good rewards. I've always had a high opinion of C-801/C-802 missiles. The newer YJ-62 looks to be quite a cutting edge design.
Babur was Chinese cruise missile,according to paknews,the fire control system and other associate equipment come from China,there's speculation that babur cruise missile may turn out to be HN-2 variant.but with reduce range to comply with ballisic missile anti proliferation treaty.Indianfighter said:
Russia is also offering tactical short range variant of KH-55 with 150 miles range.
The magazine do not mention air launched version of YJ-62K,there's report air launched variant is being develop possible to replace KD-63 and HY-2sumdud said:
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Indianfighter
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Babur does not comply with MTCR because its range is 500 kms (MTCR limit is 300 kms). This is because officially, Babur is an indegenous development of Pakistan, and has not been sourced from outside.challenge said:
Upon comparison of the photos that have been posted, it is evident that the Babur is the YJ-62. The cannister-like booster that is separated with the isthmus from the main-body, the 4 fins at the base of the main body, and the trademark less outwardly protrusion which runs for quite a distance along the main body, are the physical similarities between the YJ-62 and Babur missiles.
The Tomahawk is much different in appearance than Babur.
maglomanic
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Pictures of all three so that we can compare them
BABUR
YJ-62
Tomahawk
Looks like Babur has small fins at the back more like tomahawk compared to YJ-62. The fins are almost on the edge like in tomahawk .
However it lacks the antenna similar to YJ-62 and air intake which is present in both YJ-62 and Tomahawk.No mid section wings like tomahawk either.
BABUR
YJ-62
Tomahawk
Looks like Babur has small fins at the back more like tomahawk compared to YJ-62. The fins are almost on the edge like in tomahawk .
However it lacks the antenna similar to YJ-62 and air intake which is present in both YJ-62 and Tomahawk.No mid section wings like tomahawk either.
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Indianfighter
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I admit that I made a mistake in the comparison of the Babur missile and the tomahawk missile.
The photo of the Tomahawk has been taken when it has exited the launch phase and thus the cannister-booster is not visible (it has been ejected), whereas the photos of the Babur and the YJ-62 missiles were taken at the launch phase, and hence the cannisters are visible.
I assumed mistakenly, that those are inherent to the YJ-62 only, and since the Babur's photo also showed them the Babur must be the YJ-62.
The mid-section wings appear only in the cruise phase (immediately after the booster cannisters are jettisoned).
Since the photos of the Babur and the YJ-62 were taken in the launch phase, the mid-wings are not visible (since they were not "spread-out" yet).
The Babur is indeed more similar to the Tomahawk missile than the YJ-62. This must have been done so that external observers do not accuse China of proliferation and violating the MTCR treaty, whereas China is likely to have given the guidance systems for the Babur missile.
The photo of the Tomahawk has been taken when it has exited the launch phase and thus the cannister-booster is not visible (it has been ejected), whereas the photos of the Babur and the YJ-62 missiles were taken at the launch phase, and hence the cannisters are visible.
I assumed mistakenly, that those are inherent to the YJ-62 only, and since the Babur's photo also showed them the Babur must be the YJ-62.
The above statement is accurate.maglomanic said:
The air-intake scoop of the Babur must be present on the other side (the photo captured the incorrect side). The scoop has to be present since the Babur uses turbojet propulsion.maglomanic said:
The mid-section wings appear only in the cruise phase (immediately after the booster cannisters are jettisoned).
Since the photos of the Babur and the YJ-62 were taken in the launch phase, the mid-wings are not visible (since they were not "spread-out" yet).
The Babur is indeed more similar to the Tomahawk missile than the YJ-62. This must have been done so that external observers do not accuse China of proliferation and violating the MTCR treaty, whereas China is likely to have given the guidance systems for the Babur missile.
maglomanic
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Actually there quite a few pictures out there and none of them show the intake. I too am suprised. there are different angles too and still no intake.Indianfighter said:
I overlooked the fact. Thanks for correction.
actually chinese systems are Russian derivatives. Russian cruise missiles are far better in propulsion and range than most CMs out there. Pakistan has perviously imported M-11s from china and nothing happened. Noone really cares much about MTCR these days.
Babur is still less capable than Chinese CMs which makes me believe they borrowed from TM and made an indiginous attempt. Babur would have been easily 1000 km + range missile if China was involved.