J-35 carrier fighter (PLAN) thread

[CHNPHD]

Including the funny Blue Shark logo


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[davidau]

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it's a dumb!

 

[tamsen_ikard]

The question on the J-15T's necessity has been explained by @Blitzo above, so I'll not dive any further.

As for the J-15D - The J-15D isn't just "bringing some new capabilities in electronic warfare". The J-15D is the primary airborne EW component for the PLAN.

Moreover, when fighting in the "true blue" regions of the WestPac where the availability of land-based EW aircrafts (GX-11, GX-13, CX-17?) drops substantially with distance, the J-15D will become the only airborne EW platform that is readily available to the PLAN.

Plus, given how contemporary fighter-based EW platforms require a two-pilot crew in order to avoid work overloading, this means only the twin-seater J-15S is available for development into a dedicated EW platform for the PLAN.



Firstly, there is no definite information on what the WS-35 is supposed to be, so let's leave it out of the discussion.

As for the number of warplanes onboard carriers - The carrier air wings (CVW) onboard USN CVs and CVNs are actually more varied in terms of aircraft composition than today. Here's what a CVW looks like during the 2003 Iraq War:
- F-14 (with AB F110 turbofan engines);
- F-18 and F/A-18 (with AB F404 turbofan engines);
- EA-6 (with J-52-P turbojet engines);
- S-3 (with non-AB TF34-GE turbofan engines);
- E-2 and C-2 (with T56-A turboprop engines); and
- Helicopters with their associated turboshaft engines.

And if the N-ATF and A-12 projects weren't victims of the end-of-Cold-War shutdowns, then the CVWs of today's USN CVNs will likely consist of the following:
- F-22/23 or F/A-22/23 (with AB F119/F120 turbofan engines);
- A-12 (with non-AB F404 turbofan engines);
- F/A-18 and E/A-18 (with AB F404 turbofan engines);
- E-2 (with T56-A turboprop engines);
- CMV-22 (with T-406-AD turboshaft engines); and
- Helicopters with their associated turboshaft engines.

*AB = Afterburning

As you can see, dealing with multiple types of aircraft engines has been the norm for fully-fledged CVNs for decades. Yes, logistics and maintenance are indeed headaches - But so are fighting wars. That's just how things work.

For China's case, the CVWs of future PLAN CVs and CVNs are expected to consist of the following:
- J-XDSH (with AB WS-15 turbofan engines or WS-XX ACE engines);
- J-35 (with AB WS-21/19 turbofan engines);
- J-15D (with AB WS-10 turbofan engines);
- KJ-600 and (notional) KY-200 (with WJ-6 or WJ-10 turboprop engines);
- GJ-11/21 (with non-AB WS-13/21 turbofan engines); and
- Helicopters with their associated turboshaft engines.



The number of aircraft parking slots on aircraft carriers are set and fixed before the carrier enters service. Except during certain perculiar/emergency situations, you won't see CVs and CVNs getting jam-packed.

Its interesting that Shenyang basically owns China's carrier aviation and will own it for the foreseeble future. They have every current and future carrier fighter aircraft in the bag. So basically, they own China's naval aviation. In contrast, Chengdu only has Air Force projects and also not a monopoly since Shenyang also produces significant number of planes for the air force.

If we look at US, naval aviation is a significant part of their overall fighter fleet. If China slowly moves in that direction, Shenyang's power will only grow while Chengdu is relegated to just being a supplier of some air force planes.

I don't like this kind of One company dominance. Its better to have more competition. Chengdu should get into the Carrier fighter game.

 

[lcloo]

Its interesting that Shenyang basically owns China's carrier aviation and will own it for the foreseeble future. They have every current and future carrier fighter aircraft in the bag. So basically, they own China's naval aviation. In contrast, Chengdu only has Air Force projects and also not a monopoly since Shenyang also produces significant number of planes for the air force.

If we look at US, naval aviation is a significant part of their overall fighter fleet. If China slowly moves in that direction, Shenyang's power will only grow while Chengdu is relegated to just being a supplier of some air force planes.

I don't like this kind of One company dominance. Its better to have more competition. Chengdu should get into the Carrier fighter game.

They are all subsidiaries of AVIC. The parent company let them fight among themselves to gain competency but will not let any one of them to be in detrimental state.

There will be actions from the main shareholde/stakeholder, i.e. the Chinese government, to make sure all AVIC companies do what is the best they can do, and there is no real monopoly since personnel and production lines can move from one AVIC subsidiaries to another subsidiary, example, the rumour of the suppose removal of J10-C production line from Chengdu AVIC to Guiyang AVIC.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Its interesting that Shenyang basically owns China's carrier aviation and will own it for the foreseeble future. They have every current and future carrier fighter aircraft in the bag. So basically, they own China's naval aviation. In contrast, Chengdu only has Air Force projects and also not a monopoly since Shenyang also produces significant number of planes for the air force.

If we look at US, naval aviation is a significant part of their overall fighter fleet. If China slowly moves in that direction, Shenyang's power will only grow while Chengdu is relegated to just being a supplier of some air force planes.

I don't like this kind of One company dominance. Its better to have more competition. Chengdu should get into the Carrier fighter game.

Both the Chengdu AC (611th) and the Shenyang AC (601st) are subsidiaries of the AVIC. They are not the same as Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northrop Grumman, whereby all three of them are completely separate entities with no umbrella organizations above all of them.

That means there are always cooperation, collaboration and sharing of technologies between the 601st and 611th. The J-20A's rear cockpit hump design feature (which is first spotted on the J-35/A) is one such example.

Also, IIRC - There should be one carrier-based UCAV project under development by the 611th right now. So there's that.

 

[GTI]

Its interesting that Shenyang basically owns China's carrier aviation and will own it for the foreseeble future. They have every current and future carrier fighter aircraft in the bag. So basically, they own China's naval aviation. In contrast, Chengdu only has Air Force projects and also not a monopoly since Shenyang also produces significant number of planes for the air force.

If we look at US, naval aviation is a significant part of their overall fighter fleet. If China slowly moves in that direction, Shenyang's power will only grow while Chengdu is relegated to just being a supplier of some air force planes.

I don't like this kind of One company dominance. Its better to have more competition. Chengdu should get into the Carrier fighter game.

… a supplier of the air force’s most advanced, expensive, and important fighter planes…*

And that’s in addition to what everyone has already said about it all rolling up into AVIC at the end of the day anyway.

 

[TheWanderWit]

Both the Chengdu AC (611th) and the Shenyang AC (601st) are subsidiaries of the AVIC. They are not the same as Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Northrop Grumman, whereby all three of them are completely separate entities with no umbrella organizations above all of them.

That means there are always cooperation, collaboration and sharing of technologies between the 601st and 611th. The J-20A's rear cockpit hump design feature (which is first spotted on the J-35/A) is one such example.

Also, IIRC - There should be one carrier-based UCAV project under development by the 611th right now. So there's that.

CAC is developing a carrier-based UCAV?

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

CAC is developing a carrier-based UCAV?

I don't remember the exact details, though I can absolutely confirm that Chengdu AC is currently working on a high-tier UCAV, and is also working on some carrier-based stuffs. Both of them may or may not be related to one another, though.

 

[Deino]

CAC is developing a carrier-based UCAV?

Allegedly a variant of the WZ-10 like this one tested in 2016!

 

[TheWanderWit]

Allegedly a variant of the WZ-10 like this one tested in 2016!

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Ah, I see. I do remember seeing this image of a catapult-compatible version of the WZ-10 like you've presented. I was thinking of it being something entirely different, as the GJ-11 is the only confirmed UCAV we know so far that will be compatible with the 076 and 003, and there's not much news about this WZ-10 since then.