J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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On the other hand, as long as J-20 can do this, who cares which J-20 did it? And if the J-20 can do this withou WS-15, we can imagine what it will be able to do with them! Nice, nice indeed...
 
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delft

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Player99 said:
Why is it ridiculous? Too big not to have folding wings to get on a carrier? But that would not be just about flattop...
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Strength and height of the main landing gears show that this aircraft is not designed for use from aircraft carriers. When landing on a pitching deck the tail may hit the deck before the main landing gear is fully compressed unless the main legs are much longer than J-20's.
Besides China needed an answer to F-22, a fighter with a long range. You don't compromise fuel weight to provide a structure able to withstand deck landings in your first LO aircraft.
Also it is asking for trouble to design an aircraft for both land based and carrier based use. Think of TFX and JFS. Adapting an aircraft designed for one use later to another use, as in F-4 and Su-27 is something different.
 
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delft said:
Strength and height of the main landing gears show that this aircraft is not designed for use from aircraft carriers. When landing on a pitching deck the tail may hit the deck before the main landing gear is fully compressed unless the main legs are much longer than J-20's.
Besides China needed an answer to F-22, a fighter with a long range. You don't compromise fuel weight to provide a structure able to withstand deck landings in your first LO aircraft.
Also it is asking for trouble to design an aircraft for both land based and carrier based use. Think of TFX and JFS. Adapting an aircraft designed for one use later to another use, as in F-4 and Su-27 is something different.
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Exactly, and the English extended the nose gear on the f-4, in order to adapt it to their carriers.
 
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Well, let's make an unprofessional (and probably clueless) guess based on some other unprofessional (and also probably clueless) guess regarding the old 2001's turns. Some armchair critic commented that those turns were about 3~4 Gs... So the turn we saw in this clip probably would be 6~8 Gs? :p
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Now I see how you treat your American older brother, the clueless one agrees with Master Delft, the G-loading 5 maybe 6, you will notice he pulls the nose up sharply to gain altitude and bleed speed and energy, you will note that the nose of the airplane comes around rather sharply once he reachs his max altitude and lowest airspeed, much like Col Moga's power loop in the F-22. I am sticking to my guns on the interceptor role, and I have never referred to the J-20 as a heavy striker, but check out the Airsho vid of the Su-34 at Maks 2011, this aircraft is also quite manueverable and a heavy Striker. So my brother, it is called "hangar flying", to say clueless is less than true and could possibly besmirch the reputation of the professional armchair critic, AKA The Air Force Brat. It also shows a nice roll at the end, which he also proceeds with a healthy pull on the stick! They say you can pick your friends, but not your family, so I guess I am stuck with my "bratty" little brother, at least I know you actually read my posts, and you are learning the family trade.
 
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latenlazy

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Now I see how you treat your American older brother, the clueless one agrees with Master Delft, the G-loading 5 maybe 6, you will notice he pulls the nose up sharply to gain altitude and bleed speed and energy, you will note that the nose of the airplane comes around rather sharply once he reachs his max altitude and lowest airspeed, much like Col Moga's power loop in the F-22. I am sticking to my guns on the interceptor role, and I have never referred to the J-20 as a heavy striker, but check out the Airsho vid of the Su-34 at Maks 2011, this aircraft is also quite manueverable and a heavy Striker. So my brother, it is called "hangar flying", to say clueless is less than true and could possibly besmirch the reputation of the professional armchair critic, AKA The Air Force Brat. It also shows a nice roll at the end, which he also proceeds with a healthy pull on the stick! They say you can pick your friends, but not your family, so I guess I am stuck with my "bratty" little brother, at least I know you actually read my posts, and you are learning the family trade.
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Technically the F-22 fulfills the interceptor role too. The question is whether the J-20 by design is strictly dedicated or specialized to that role, and my inclination to that answer is a probable no.
 
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Air Force Brat said:
Now I see how you treat your American older brother, the clueless one agrees with Master Delft, the G-loading 5 maybe 6, you will notice he pulls the nose up sharply to gain altitude and bleed speed and energy, you will note that the nose of the airplane comes around rather sharply once he reachs his max altitude and lowest airspeed, much like Col Moga's power loop in the F-22. I am sticking to my guns on the interceptor role, and I have never referred to the J-20 as a heavy striker, but check out the Airsho vid of the Su-34 at Maks 2011, this aircraft is also quite manueverable and a heavy Striker. So my brother, it is called "hangar flying", to say clueless is less than true and could possibly besmirch the reputation of the professional armchair critic, AKA The Air Force Brat. It also shows a nice roll at the end, which he also proceeds with a healthy pull on the stick! They say you can pick your friends, but not your family, so I guess I am stuck with my "bratty" little brother, at least I know you actually read my posts, and you are learning the family trade.
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Hehe, Brat, I definitely wasn't referring to you or anybody on the forum when I said "unprofessional or clueless". I'll take your estimate if you feel confident about it, for I am truely clueless here.
 
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latenlazy said:
Technically the F-22 fulfills the interceptor role too. The question is whether the J-20 by design is strictly dedicated or specialized to that role, and my inclination to that answer is a probable no.
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I agree with you. And I agree because most "leakers" (meaning whose who seem to have some insider knowledge) here in China have insisted so.
 
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