J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

siegecrossbow · Apr 12, 2012

It is a bit hard to explain why the J-20 viewed the South Korean fighter as the Millennium Falcon without going political but I am going to risk it for the sake of clarification. There is a general disapproval of South Korean "arrogance" on Chinese forums (not just military) in general because fringe South Korean professors tend to claim famous Chinese personages as Korean and the Chinese military is often portrayed as weak or ineffectual in South Korean media. The straw that broke the camel's back was the South Korean film "Shen Ji Jian" which portrayed the South Korean military as possessing guided rockets with nuclear yields during the fictional 15th century showoff with Ming Chinese forces (who were dressed and armed like barbarians). After that members on Chinese sites started mocking the "galactic" capabilities of South Korean technology and military. When the South Koreans announced their fifth gen. platform, members on Chinese forums jokingly referred to it as a "star destroyer". The use of the Millennium Falcon probably intended to deliver that message.

Political rants ended.

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airsuperiority said:
Well said. Very agreed on that. The Indian depiction and Justin Bieber made me LOL. I kinda expected gundams to show up, and really is funny how the countries despise J-20 even though it's supposed to be one of the really lethal ones out there.

The author said that the negative presentation of J-20 in other countries on the chart is reflective the the negative foreign media attention, or "sour grape attitude", since the J-20 came out. He is basically mocking the attitudes of some Western observers who refuse to acknowledge the J-20's significance and capabilities since it came out.

MiG-29 · Apr 12, 2012

siegecrossbow said:
It is a bit hard to explain why the J-20 viewed the South Korean fighter as the Millennium Falcon without going political but I am going to risk it for the sake of clarification. There is a general disapproval of South Korean "arrogance" on Chinese forums (not just military) in general because fringe South Korean professors tend to claim famous Chinese personages as Korean and the Chinese military is often portrayed as weak or ineffectual in South Korean media. The straw that broke the camel's back was the South Korean film "Shen Ji Jian" which portrayed the South Korean military as possessing guided rockets with nuclear yields during the fictional 15th century showoff with Ming Chinese forces (who were dressed and armed like barbarians). After that members on Chinese sites started mocking the "galactic" capabilities of South Korean technology and military. When the South Koreans announced their fifth gen. platform, members on Chinese forums jokingly referred to it as a "star destroyer". The use of the Millennium Falcon probably intended to deliver that message.

Political rants ended.

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The author said that the negative presentation of J-20 in other countries on the chart is reflective the the negative foreign media attention, or "sour grape attitude", since the J-20 came out. He is basically mocking the attitudes of some Western observers who refuse to acknowledge the J-20's significance and capabilities since it came out.

I think a fighter only can be view as they are really have to be viewed.

If we have to view a fighter we have to view the fighter as it is a machine of war.

So in order to view the fighter as girl or a cowboy is just as a comic point of view and with some sense of humour.

But if i have to see a fighter as it is the true Superman in my point of view is not the F-22 but the F-15 and the best robin well F-16.

When i see the combat record of MiGs or Sukhois i can only consider the MiG-15 or MiG-25 as effective jets despite overwhelming odds, the MiG-23 despite i like it a lot was a fighter that did not change the results of the wars it fought with the exception of the Angolan war of the 1980s.
MiG-29 despited some victories are claimed was beaten several times, Su-27s only has been effective killing MiG-29s (what an irony).

In paper the MiG-29, was an excellent jet in the 1980s but its combat application has been hardly a very impressive one.

The F-22, F-35, T-50 and J-20 have not proven a thing as weapons of war, they only have the potential to become the new F-15s, Mirage IIIs or MiG-15s, hopely they will be like the J-8II or Su-15 that had a very limited application and just kept the deterrance they supposed to do.

But as now nobody knows if the F-22 will be a failure or a great fighter and the same applies in my opinion to the rest of the stealth fighters.

Maggern · Apr 12, 2012

MiG-29 said:
I think a fighter only can be view as they are really have to be viewed.

If we have to view a fighter we have to view the fighter as it is a machine of war.

So in order to view the fighter as girl or a cowboy is just as a comic point of view and with some sense of humour.

But if i have to see a fighter as it is the true Superman in my point of view is not the F-22 but the F-15 and the best robin well F-16.

When i see the combat record of MiGs or Sukhois i can only consider the MiG-15 or MiG-25 as effective jets despite overwhelming odds, the MiG-23 despite i like it a lot was a fighter that did not change the results of the wars it fought with the exception of the Angolan war of the 1980s.
MiG-29 despited some victories are claimed was beaten several times, Su-27s only has been effective killing MiG-29s (what an irony).

In paper the MiG-29, was an excellent jet in the 1980s but its combat application has been hardly a very impressive one.

The F-22, F-35, T-50 and J-20 have not proven a thing as weapons of war, they only have the potential to become the new F-15s, Mirage IIIs or MiG-15s, hopely they will be like the J-8II or Su-15 that had a very limited application and just kept the deterrance they supposed to do.

But as now nobody knows if the F-22 will be a failure or a great fighter and the same applies in my opinion to the rest of the stealth fighters.

Let's not use the image as an excuse to start vs. vs. postings again. This picture is all about how some people view other fighters. It has -nothing- to do with actual capabilities. Although siegecrossbow's analysis is interesting, I would also caution drawing too many conclusions. It's for fun.

Most jokes (especially the good ones) are of course grounded in prejudice or some kind of backstory. But IMO delving into that part only ruins the joke.

MiG-29 · Apr 12, 2012

Maggern said:
Let's not use the image as an excuse to start vs. vs. postings again. This picture is all about how some people view other fighters. It has -nothing- to do with actual capabilities. Although siegecrossbow's analysis is interesting, I would also caution drawing too many conclusions. It's for fun.

Most jokes (especially the good ones) are of course grounded in prejudice or some kind of backstory. But IMO delving into that part only ruins the joke.

No body is saying a X versus Y topic, if you know history, the real effectiveness of a Jet is judged as how much it changes the wars they fight, as well as how much they bring victory to the the air forces that fly them.
The Joke was F-22 is a gay cowboy but this is only an internet view of fans.
In history a great aircraft changes the course of history, like Spitfire changed WWII since by Hitler not invading England meant defeat for Germany or Harrier the falklands war, since Argentina over estimated the importance of speed over agility since Harrier beated even Kfirs (IAI Daggers).
After all all these machines are not designed for people to comment them on the internet, but as weapons of war that are military tools for true politics.

The Superiority the F-15 brought in 1982 to Israel duringt the bekka valley or the USAF in GWI affected the politics of those times.
In 1982 the F-15 allowed Israel to invade Lebanon and keep the Syrian air force from affecting that outcome and in 1991 the F-15 allowed the USAF to beat the Iraqi war machine in a way no other fighter did not even F-16s or F-14s.

The picture is a joke only that just based upon the internet views, but no more, as a comment of the true effectiveness well is not a realistic way of judging fighters.

I mean nobody knows F-22 might become a great disappointment and other jet might become more impressive, or simply all these jets will be like the 1973 war, pray of SAMs and stealth will become obsolete by new technologies

T-U-P · Apr 12, 2012

siegecrossbow said:
Nope, definitely made by a Chinese person:

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according to the person who made this chart, KF-X sees the F35 as pikachu because the Japanese love it, and pikachu shoots lightning...

Everyone else sees KF-X as star fighters made out of office supplies (sharpies and clips)

paintgun · Apr 12, 2012

T-U-P said:
according to the person who made this chart, KF-X sees the F35 as pikachu because the Japanese love it, and pikachu shoots lightning...

Everyone else sees KF-X as star fighters made out of office supplies (sharpies and clips)

i'm forgetting the Pikachu lightning reference, dang must be getting old

airsuperiority · Apr 13, 2012

MiG-29 said:
No body is saying a X versus Y topic, if you know history, the real effectiveness of a Jet is judged as how much it changes the wars they fight, as well as how much they bring victory to the the air forces that fly them.
The Joke was F-22 is a gay cowboy but this is only an internet view of fans.
In history a great aircraft changes the course of history, like Spitfire changed WWII since by Hitler not invading England meant defeat for Germany or Harrier the falklands war, since Argentina over estimated the importance of speed over agility since Harrier beated even Kfirs (IAI Daggers).
After all all these machines are not designed for people to comment them on the internet, but as weapons of war that are military tools for true politics.

The Superiority the F-15 brought in 1982 to Israel duringt the bekka valley or the USAF in GWI affected the politics of those times.
In 1982 the F-15 allowed Israel to invade Lebanon and keep the Syrian air force from affecting that outcome and in 1991 the F-15 allowed the USAF to beat the Iraqi war machine in a way no other fighter did not even F-16s or F-14s.

The picture is a joke only that just based upon the internet views, but no more, as a comment of the true effectiveness well is not a realistic way of judging fighters.

I mean nobody knows F-22 might become a great disappointment and other jet might become more impressive, or simply all these jets will be like the 1973 war, pray of SAMs and stealth will become obsolete by new technologies

My favorite jet is actually the F-15, but anyways....we should have some 'lax fun while it lasts..sometimes we should just chilllax and enjoy ourselves instead of getting all serious over every topic.

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paintgun said:
i'm forgetting the Pikachu lightning reference, dang must be getting old

i hope you still remember what a bulbasaur is XD

Blitzo · Apr 13, 2012

MiG-29 said:
The Joke was F-22 is a gay cowboy but this is only an internet view of fans.

Nah, the idea of F-22 being a gay cowboy is totally the view of the world's entire population

It's just a joke for lulz, and it shows the opinion of everyone from everyone else and is quite unbiased because they're admitting every box is just an opinion from other people.

As heath ledger once said, why so serious?

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airsuperiority said:
i hope you still remember what a bulbasaur is XD

... Digimon ftw

>_>

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I think we need a thread for "pop culture references," actually.

airsuperiority · Apr 13, 2012

Bltizo said:
Nah, the idea of F-22 being a gay cowboy is totally the view of the world's entire population

It's just a joke for lulz, and it shows the opinion of everyone from everyone else and is quite unbiased because they're admitting every box is just an opinion from other people.

As heath ledger once said, why so serious?

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... Digimon ftw

>_>

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I think we need a thread for "pop culture references," actually.

LOL finally something we both disagree on. Now we should get serious, open a new thread, get angry

, and exchange debates and rebuttals with sources over thatXD

and yes we do need a pop culture thread. people in this forum shall loosen up sometimes. btw, i've heard diablo3 is coming out in may right? maybe we'll witness a new thread by then as well

Air Force Brat · Apr 13, 2012

airsuperiority said:
My favorite jet is actually the F-15, but anyways....we should have some 'lax fun while it lasts..sometimes we should just chilllax and enjoy ourselves instead of getting all serious over every topic.

I'm surprised you like that antique, really I am dissapointed to learn the silent eagle seems to have run into hard times, canted tails, conformal weapons bay, and for fun OVT nozzles, I really think the canted verts would be "stylin". I thought the 15 would be my all time love affair, then along came the mig 29, followed by the Su-27, I wasn't completely sold on the Raptor, until I saw it up close and personal, now this is the real alien fighter, I love the looks of the Pak-Fa, and the J-20 follows a long line of black birds all cool. I really learned to love the Eagle when I was on base at Scott AFB and Mac's red, white, and blue tech demonstrator was shooting landings. Slam down the runway heading, over head break, pop the gear, flaps, and speed break roll onto short final at under 150 knots like its on rails, no bobbles, no rolling back and forth, set the pitch angle and roll the mains, hoooooollllllddd the nose off for aerodynamic breaking to nearly a walk, then when you know the nose is going to fall through to the tarmac, slap the the throttles up into AB and climb away, gear up, flaps up and power back to do it all again, piece of cake! Thats the F-15, just gorgeous, and follows the old pilots/engineer saying, if it looks good, it will fly good!

J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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