J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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FrogLover88

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Personally I don't think there's any point in implementing TVC on the J-20 engines.

It costs extra money and time to implement TVC. Plus it has a negative effect on the plane weight and engine thrust.

And given the very high lethality of modern short range AAMs, they shouldn't need to dogfight against the small number of F-22s in service. And remember the F-22s will start retiring in 2030
There are stealth benefits, potentially quite significant. Deflecting control surfaces can cause complicated and unpredictable interactions that reduce stealth. By using thrust vectoring these movements can be minimized.
 

latenlazy

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Personally I don't think there's any point in implementing TVC on the J-20 engines.

It costs extra money and time to implement TVC. Plus it has a negative effect on the plane weight and engine thrust.

And given the very high lethality of modern short range AAMs, they shouldn't need to dogfight against the small number of F-22s in service. And remember the F-22s will start retiring in 2030
The presumed TVC design being used by the J-20 should have minimal weight and thrust penalties.
 

tphuang

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Also the other thing I forgot to mention is that if this is designed to eventually be flown with the more powerful WS-15, this would theoretically allow for higher internal weight. That may allow certain subsystems that would've been appropriate in volume but not weight. It would also allow for maybe heavier material or thicker RAM coasting or RAM coating in more places.
 

siegecrossbow

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Personally I don't think there's any point in implementing TVC on the J-20 engines.

It costs extra money and time to implement TVC. Plus it has a negative effect on the plane weight and engine thrust.

And given the very high lethality of modern short range AAMs, they shouldn't need to dogfight against the small number of F-22s in service. And remember the F-22s will start retiring in 2030

It is less for Airshow poststall and more for reducing control surface movement during cruising flight.
 

kentchang

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Also the other thing I forgot to mention is that if this is designed to eventually be flown with the more powerful WS-15, this would theoretically allow for higher internal weight. That may allow certain subsystems that would've been appropriate in volume but not weight. It would also allow for maybe heavier material or thicker RAM coasting or RAM coating in more places.

Or add a laser. Since the canards are still there, TVC doesn't seem worth the trade-offs.
 

TK3600

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This design kinda reminds me of J-35. J-35 also has the canopy shrinked under the the chasis. Either that or the back is raised. I remember asking about J-35 prototypes unable to look behind it. This is rather unusual. Usually airframe don't get changes like these.
 
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