J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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stannislas

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Totoro said:
Question is then whether first Anshan (1st brigade) planes came in 2020 or 2021. if the latter is true, then as many as 3 different units got some planes, likely a single dadui, in that year.
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well, Anshan is the 2nd brigade to recieve J-20 after wuhu, in fact, I'm even suspect it's even ealier then 2020, late 2019 maybe
there was rumor like Anshan recieved its first Dadui roughly at the same time of wuhu to recieve its 2nd or 3rd brigade, which was sometime around mid-end of 2019. the rumor also suggested that there was a picture of J-20 with serial number that suggested it was anshan circled in some QQ chat group by then, but quickly got banned... anyway, it was just a rumor...

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So that'd suggest a delivery pace of up to 30 J-20 in 2021 alone.
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again, I suspect the productivity of J-20 could be even higher than 30 by the end of 2021, or should be definately higher by the end of this year, and even higher if the rumor of GAC to produce J-10 by this year is real.

The 2nd and even larger factory of CAC was accomplised by sometime around 2019-2020, which solely product J-20 as rumor suggested, if they were able to build 1 production every year, then by the end of 2021, they should have 3-4 production line of J-20, that's 36-48 J-20 every year. and if they start to free up factory by moving J-10 production to GAC, this number could go even higher...
 
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Totoro said:
Thanks.

Indeed, the photographed tail serials for 1st brigade (Anshan) suggest a range from 02 to 18, at least, so two daduis seem likely there.

9th brigade tail numbers also range from 01 to 27, with not that many gaps in between, so the likelihood of 3 daduis there is quite high.

And 56th brigade is indeed the rumored CTC unit.

Anyway. If indeed 111th brigade got their by the end of 2021, and if indeed those dadui counts are on the higher end, which seems likely, then
some 100 J-20 delivered by the end of 2021 seems quite plausible.

Question is then whether first Anshan (1st brigade) planes came in 2020 or 2021. if the latter is true, then as many as 3 different units got some planes, likely a single dadui, in that year. So that'd suggest a delivery pace of up to 30 J-20 in 2021 alone.

That'd also make it possible that 2022 the delivery run may ultimately even exceed 30 planes.
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At least two of them were spotted in the later half of 2020 in Anshan by locals.
 
by78

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Has this been shared? I went back more than four months but didn't see it.

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ougoah

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That is not a barrel roll. It's basically a vertical stall barrel roll which I would imagine requires a TVC system.

Barrel rolls require some significant enough airspeed and airflow over control surfaces. In this case the J-20 is doing something similar to the F-22 move where it slowly climbs until it reaches (and maintains for many seconds) a zero velocity state. But in this case the J-20 is doing a barrel roll in a near zero velocity state and nose pointed vertical. There is close to no air flow along control surfaces. It has some speed but doing this maneuver at such ridiculously low speeds would seem to suggest thrust vectoring.

Very weird and impressive maneuver indeed how it manages to turn on its axis in this position. Maybe it had enough momentum and airspeed to do such a relatively quick roll for such low speed.
 
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latenlazy

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ougoah said:
That is not a barrel roll. It's basically a vertical stall barrel roll which I would imagine requires a TVC system.

Barrel rolls require some significant enough airspeed and airflow over control surfaces. In this case the J-20 is doing something similar to the F-22 move where it slowly climbs until it reaches (and maintains for many seconds) a zero velocity state. But in this case the J-20 is doing a barrel roll in a near zero velocity state and nose pointed vertical. There is close to no air flow along control surfaces. It has some speed but doing this maneuver at such ridiculously low speeds would seem to suggest thrust vectoring.

Very weird and impressive maneuver indeed how it manages to turn on its axis in this position. Maybe it had enough momentum and airspeed to do such a relatively quick roll for such low speed.
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It’s probably demonstrating the canards acting as positive lifting control surfaces. Notice how engaged the canards are during the maneuver.
 
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