Funny thing is I once emailed her to ask her how exactly the WS-15 was going to get into mass production back in 2018. I never got a response though ...Not a true censorship but better a warning for her BS!
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No, and in fact I'm even more surprised that you support your BS!
Sorry to say so, but either she was bored again or I don't know what again she smoked!
May I ask how these contradictions fit together?
- again based on her "unknown source close to..."
- we know since mid-2019 that no J-20 has been built with AL-31FN but are usung WS-10C since then and she tells us they are using still Russian AL-31FNs?!!
- why a TVC-AL-31FN if the WS-10B-3 was demonstrated in Zhuhai 2018 already?
- already in 2018 she noted the J-20 is using the WS-10B (which also was wrong then: )
- and even earlier she mentioned the J-20 would already use serial WS-15s.
That all does not fit and contradicts all we know.
Simply NO!
I frankly think what's going on with Minnie Chan is that she has an insider source that delights in feeding her random nonsense. The point is that as she's with SCMP, she's considered a reputable journalist so other sources will pick up on Minnie Chan's reports no matter how contradictory they are.
So, if the PLAAF wants to convince people that the J-20 is ready for mass production and will get TVC, while the actual proposed J-20B is still in development, they have their insider source "leak" stuff to Minnie.
So let's see who re-reports the Minnie Chan claims as that seems to be the entire goal with her.
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Vietnamese media rereported the SCMP claim,
Korean media rereported the SCMP claim
Indonesians rereported the SCMP claim
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But my general point is that if Minnie Chan says something, it doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. The claims of a J-20B with WS-10 / AL-31F using a TVC nozzle is plausible, given that the Chinese have, #1, delays with the WS-15 project, and #2, successfully tested a TVC nozzle on a J-10C and are testing it on the J-20. It's just that given that Minnie Chan is unreliable, we are better off looking for corroboration from other sources before we can conclude the J-20B is in fact ready for mass production and will sport TVC.
So the first thing I did was to take a look at CJDBY's forums, and there's no reports. Thus, we file this under the "unsubstantiated rumors" category, even though it's plausible.
So the first thing I did was to take a look at CJDBY's forums, and there's no reports. Thus, we file this under the "unsubstantiated rumors" category, even though it's plausible.
I'm sorry but Minnie Chan literally claimed that the J-20B just entered mass production with a thrust vectoring AL-31. In what ways is Minnie Chan not wrong here? Her article is a heap of false information and self-contradictory statements.
Logically speaking, let us say the claim contains components A, B, and C. If component B is wrong, then the claim is wrong, which you have noted. But it doesn't imply that components A and C are necessarily wrong as well.
The claim that I'm paying attention to from Minnie Chan is that there's a J-20B which is intended to be a J-20A with TVC nozzles attached and integrated into the flight control system, and that the J-20B is going to be mass produced.
I'm treating this not as blatantly wrong, as other posters claim here, but as a plausible claim from a low-reliability source that needs further substantiation.
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I also don't see that it can be assumed that the Chinese aren't running AL-31F engines on the J-20B, even though the WS-10B is considered ready. If you look at the rear design for the J-20, the J-20 has a significant problem in that its nozzle placement isn't optimal for TVC, not because the nozzles are adjacent, but because the nozzles are recessed by the rear ECM pylons.
The WS-10 engine, compared to the AL-31F, as can be seen on this CJDBY thread:
is shallower and shorter than the AL-31F. This means that there needs to be substantial modification to move the nozzles further outward from the main body. Since the AL-31F engine, in contrast, is longer, there is less modification needed to move the nozzles outward.
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In either case, it's a goddamn Minnie Chan claim. Plausible, yes, but needs further substantiation. Simply because it comes from her doesn't mean it's right or wrong, it just means it's unreliable and requires further evidence.
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ok to help change topic from Minnie Chan can someone here provide RCS (official or otherwise) of F22 vs F35 vs J-20?
lol that's not how it works. For instance, what angle are you talking about? RCS varies quite dramatically. Plus the numbers for F-22 and F-35 are certainly not accurate and the "official" numbers don't specify angle.
Because the SCMP is now owned by Alibaba and feeds a lot of iffy material. It ranges between being outspokenly anti-China to neutral to pro-China. Full of military disinfo and generally just trash, unreliable publication no matter how you look at it objectively. There may be 1 accurate, objective article out of a dozen. The rest are almost entirely politically motivated but funnily presenting both sides. It's just there to confuse and play with the weak minded old readers who praised its anti-China stance. Now that it's got some links to the CCP, they're using it to troll them on occasion. That's how you should treat fools.
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