J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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lcloo

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Dadui is not 10 aircraft?
Normally one zhondui 中队 (middle team) is 4 aircraft, though for J20 some rumour said a zhongdui consist of only 3 aircraft.

Dadui 大队(large team) may conist of 2 zhongdui or 8 aircraft, or 6 aircraft for J20 as some rumour insisted. There is no strict rules, some dadui may consist of 3 zhongdui or 12 aircraft.

From most of the photo realese of training, as well as phoyo sightings of serial numbers, 4 J20 for a zhongdui and 8 J20 for a dadui should be more accurate than the rumoured 3 aircraft zhongdui or 6 aircraft dadui.

For a brigade, there may be extra 1 or 2 aircraft as spare. Also not all air brigades have same number of dadui thus different brigades may have different total number of aircraft.

Also, a dadui is not same as a squadron, China has a different system. Just like commonly used Chinese weighing unit of jin(斤) or katty/catty/kati (equivalent to 600 gram), instead of kilograme or pound in other countries.
 
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stannislas

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Normally one zhondui 中队 (middle team) is 4 aircraft, though for J20 some rumour said a zhongdui consist of only 3 aircraft.

Dadui 大队(large team) may conist of 2 zhongdui or 8 aircraft, or 6 aircraft for J20 as some rumour insisted. There is no strict rules, some dadui may consist of 3 zhongdui or 12 aircraft.

From most of the photo realese of training, as well as phoyo sightings of serial numbers, 4 J20 for a zhongdui and 8 J20 for a dadui should be more accurate than the rumoured 3 aircraft zhongdui or 6 aircraft dadui.

For a brigade, there may be extra 1 or 2 aircraft as spare. Also not all air brigades have same number of dadui thus different brigades may have different total number of aircraft.

Also, a dadui is not same as a squadron, China has a different system. Just like commonly used Chinese weighing unit of jin(斤) or katty/catty/kati (equivalent to 600 gram), instead of kilograme or pound in other countries.
True, but 600 gram jin far as I know has never been used out of the grosses stores and farmers market in rural area

where as a brigades, beside of normal 3 dadui, they usually has additional 8 twin seater jets just for training, like 8 Su-27ub or j-10s
 

Deino

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from huitong's site, looks like 78132 is spotted. Maybe that indicates at least 12 J-20s in the 172nd brigade. or maybe they are just establishing the second dadui with each dadui being 8 J-20s.

Has anyone saved the original image since at JP it seems to be deleted?
 

iantsai

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from huitong's site, looks like 78132 is spotted. Maybe that indicates at least 12 J-20s in the 172nd brigade. or maybe they are just establishing the second dadui with each dadui being 8 J-20s.
Can not see the number on the stablizers.

So it could be 61122 where there 61120 and 61125 have both been discovered.

And it could also be 62102.
 

Peas

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Normally one zhondui 中队 (middle team) is 4 aircraft, though for J20 some rumour said a zhongdui consist of only 3 aircraft.

Dadui 大队(large team) may conist of 2 zhongdui or 8 aircraft, or 6 aircraft for J20 as some rumour insisted. There is no strict rules, some dadui may consist of 3 zhongdui or 12 aircraft.

From most of the photo realese of training, as well as phoyo sightings of serial numbers, 4 J20 for a zhongdui and 8 J20 for a dadui should be more accurate than the rumoured 3 aircraft zhongdui or 6 aircraft dadui.

For a brigade, there may be extra 1 or 2 aircraft as spare. Also not all air brigades have same number of dadui thus different brigades may have different total number of aircraft.

Also, a dadui is not same as a squadron, China has a different system. Just like commonly used Chinese weighing unit of jin(斤) or katty/catty/kati (equivalent to 600 gram), instead of kilograme or pound in other countries.
Now shijin(市斤) is more common. 1 shijin = 500 gram. 1gongjin(公斤)= 1 kilograme = 2shijin.
 

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a. rumor suggested the Chinese HMD helmet is still too heavy in their assessment, so they probably looking for improvement model
b. unlike F-35, J-20 at this stage is mainly taking A2A role, HMD won't help too much on the perspective, a regular light weight helmet these days normally is capable to attachment the some eye ball traction or simple display assessories to improve aero combat, plus the regular HUD is good enough for most of the A2A missile launches
Found a picture of HMD helmet

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The J-20, China's most powerful, domestically developed stealth fighter jet, has started to patrol the East China Sea and the South China Sea in routine training sessions, and experts said on Wednesday that the move will enable the advanced warplane to better safeguard China's airspace security and maritime interests.

With the J-20 switching to use domestically developed engines, it has become a training routine that this type of aircraft conducts combat patrols in the East China Sea and alert patrols in the South China Sea, Ren Yukun, head of the discipline inspection and supervision team and a member of the leading Party group at state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) (the J-20's manufacturer), said at a press conference on Tuesday.

Ren's announcement came after General Kenneth Wilsbach, Commander of the US Pacific Air Forces, said in mid-March that US F-35 stealth fighter jets recently had
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with China's J-20 stealth fighter jets over the East China Sea.

The People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force shoulders the sacred duty of defending national security in China's airspace. It must be emphasized that when it comes to defending national sovereignty and security, the PLA will always be ready and capable of wielding its sword, said Senior Colonel Wu Qian, a spokesperson at China's Ministry of National Defense, at a regular press conference on March 31, when asked to comment on Wilsbach's remarks.

It is certain that the J-20, as advanced new equipment, will appear on potential battlefields, including at sea, particularly when advanced warplanes of the US like the F-35 and the F-22 have been flying near China, Song Zhongping, a Chinese military expert and TV commentator, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

"Our advanced fighter jets must meet them head on to safeguard the country's airspace security and maritime interests," Song said.

Wang Li, a J-20 pilot at the Wang Hai Air Group affiliated with the PLA Eastern Theater Command Air Force, said on China Central Television (CCTV) on March 5 that he had participated in routine maritime management and control missions with the J-20. It hasn't yet been publicly disclosed if the PLA Southern Theater Command has been equipped with the J-20.

The Eastern and Southern Theater Commands are focal points of the PLA, as they are vital to combat preparedness in the Taiwan Straits and the South China Sea, Song said.

That is why the advanced J-20 should be commissioned there as soon as possible to generate combat capabilities, Song opined.

Another member of China's "20" aircraft family, the Y-20, recently carried out a mission to deliver regular military goods to Serbia, with observers saying it could be the largest overseas operation yet by the Chinese domestically developed large transport plane.

The Y-20s participating in
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flew 8,000 kilometers from China to Serbia, flying over some NATO countries amid some regional unease, so it is obvious what kind of challenges they had to face, Zhou Guoqian, a spokesperson at AVIC said on Tuesday, CCTV reported on the day.

But the aircraft passed the test, Zhou said. "Our Y-20 is a very capable aircraft indeed."
 
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