J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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ougoah

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Are these nacelles the stealthiest the J-20 will get? Is it likely to get further LO improvements when the WS-15s are deployed?

Quite unlikely any further improvements. These nacelles are custom designed for this particular WS-10 which also seems rather intended for the J-20 and designed accordingly. The nacelles are stealthy and represent the best of what the industry could offer the J-20. Highly unlikely the WS-15's nacelles can be better unless certain qualities of the WS-15 allow for better solutions if they exist at all. The only likely improvement offered by a WS-15 powered J-20 would be the obvious ones. The question is whether WS-15 would come right out with TVC and if so, how it is implemented could potentially change stealthiness e.g. if it applies a similar method to F-22 or maybe sacrifices stealthiness because some slight changes are required for the rear end to better accommodate TVC.
 

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some says this plane is not even stealth! How many of these birds you think that plaf will acquire? Are they developing air to surface weapons for this plane weapons bay?
 

Hendrik_2000

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some says this plane is not even stealth! How many of these birds you think that plaf will acquire? Are they developing air to surface weapons for this plane weapons bay?
Which rock have you been living in all these years? please avoid BS comment in this forum. The J20 stealthy-ness has been researched by dr Carlo kopps
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ougoah

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Ausairpower isn't credible at all. His RCS models are questionable albeit seemingly decently done and probably the only public access one done on a J-20 prototype. However, J-20's RCS from most aspects are certainly within the "VLO" definition and no doubt about it.

It isn't hard to do stealth geometry these days. They only questionable element for frontal RCS is canards but its contribution to RCS spikes are minimal. It wouldn't be hard to have created a conventional layout fighter if the penalty was significant in any way and we all know frontal RCS is where the J-20 placed priority which is not to say they didn't create decent all round stealth design except for rear hemisphere aspects. Since frontal RCS is clearly of greatest importance to the J-20, we can conclude that the canards do not truly represent any sort of problem for stealth. How easy is it to just not go with canards if it was? SAC's competitor to the J-20 was a triplane layout (like a Su-33/J-15) - again no issue using canards. Don't want to resurrect that canard-stealth discussion. Canards can clearly somehow be made stealthy for multiple organisations to apply them in 5th gen fighters or at least concepts of 5th gen fighters, from Sweden to China and USA.
 

Hendrik_2000

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All these smart commenter think they know better than Dr Carlo Kopp. They don't they just Bs their way to express their opinion. Remember this analysis was done early in J20 program and since then refinement has been made. So it might not reflect the actual stealthy ness of J 20 But it conclusion acknowledge that J20 can be developed into very low observable plane
I put it on to rebut opinion, bias and BS comment!
 
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