J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

Temstar said:

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Here's guancha further confirming that J-20 was at the exercise in some capacity.

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siegecrossbow said:

I think it is best if we keep expectations measured for the time being. According to ShiLao, China has very different exercise criteria and rubrics than Russia and in the past, joint exercises usually involve Chinese/Russian troops fighting shoulder to shoulder against a dedicated "OPFOR blue force" or a set of targets in the case of live fire exercises. I don't think we'll see J-20 or J-16 vs Su-30SM in simulated aerial combat engagements, at least not this one. Best case scenario would be J-20/J-16 and Su-30SM intercepting aerial target drones in a live fire scenario.

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siegecrossbow said:

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Radar change?

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Bltizo said:

Hadn't the exercise only just began?
And this was just part of the opening ceremony for the exercise?

That is to say -- isn't it quite a big difference between a fly by appearance at the opening ceremonial phase of the exercise, versus actually participating in the exercise in any practical form?
Do we have any evidence that the latter has happened??

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siegecrossbow said:

This is just a flyover, but the same CCTV report confirmed that the J-20, J-11, J-16, JH-7, and Y-20 will participate in the actual exercise in some capacity.

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Bltizo said:

I'd hold my horses somewhat to see what capacity that will be, IMO.

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siegecrossbow said:

Worst case: provide "escort" for Su-30SMs while they strafe ground targets with unguided rockets.

Best case: intercept target drones simulating enemy fighters and/or high value assets in air defense exercise.

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Bltizo said:

I wouldn't call those best or worst cases.

I'm not sure if the degree of their prominence in the exercises should be a good thing or a bad thing, though I'd favour the latter.
Personally I feel like their involvement in an international exercise should be limited at this stage given the relative sensitivity of the aircraft.

I wouldn't mind if the J-20s merely loitered silently in a battlespace, and relaying it's sensor data to friendly platforms to allow them to engage enemy targets. That would reveal minimal capabilities about the aircraft.

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Bltizo said:

I'm not sure if the degree of their prominence in the exercises should be a good thing or a bad thing, though I'd favour the latter.
Personally I feel like their involvement in an international exercise should be limited at this stage given the relative sensitivity of the aircraft.

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ZeEa5KPul said:

America flew its F-22 against Sukhois at Red Flag exercises - no matter who "owns" the Sukhoi, it's a Russian aircraft and I would find it surprising if it didn't have its surprises. I'm sure the USAF knows this perfectly well, yet it still chose to fly its most secretive fighter, its pride and joy, against them. That shows confidence.

Perhaps the PLAAF shows similar confidence in its pride and joy.

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