J-20 5th Generation Fighter VII

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caohailiang

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siegecrossbow said:
It's not just one pilot, it is him and his wing men. Since the aircraft mentioned is a newly equipped aircraft by the Wang Hai Brigade it most certainly is the J-20. However, there are debates on CJDBY as to whether they were carrying luneberg lenses when the mock combat occurred.
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really makes me wonder, given this exchange rate, what is the point of continuing production of J16? It is almost like throwing money away?
 
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I shared this image a long time ago in the Flankers thread, thinking that it's a J-16 simulator. We now know J-16s have dual-panel MFDs instead of the single large panels seen here. Now I wonder if this simulator might have something to do with the rumored J-20 twin-seater.

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by78 said:
I shared this image a long time ago in the Flankers thread, thinking that it's a J-16 simulator. We now know J-16s have dual-panel MFDs instead of the single large panels seen here. Now I wonder if this simulator has something to do with the rumored J-20 twin-seater.

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The seating arrangement angle seems to suggest a twin seat flanker. But then again it could have been done this way in a simulator just so the backseat can see the three monitors ahead. I don't think a twin seat J-20 will give backseat pilot higher vantage like the flankers do. It'll probably be more like a J-10S.
 
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caohailiang said:
If that is the case the only explanation to me is J20 still has some technical difficulties to be really mass produced, so they have no choice but to settle for the next best option - J16, in order to ramp up for short term threat, although that option is much much inferior.
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One more potential reason for the mass production of J-16 fighters is the stock of WS-10 jet engines produced annually need to be consumed somehow and installing them on new heavy strike fighters produced at Shenyang is not a bad choice given the bottlenecks at Chengdu.
 
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One more potential reason for the mass production of J-16 fighters is the stock of WS-10 jet engines produced annually need to be consumed somehow and installing them on new heavy strike fighters produced at Shenyang is not a bad choice given the bottlenecks at Chengdu.
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There is no stock of WS-10 outside of the absolutely necessary spares and backups. WS-10 production isn't fast enough for J-16 and J-10. You are saying J-16 and presumably J-10's ongoing production is partly a result of needing to "use up" WS-10 when the opposite is true. If J-16 and J-10 production were to be totally stopped in favour of J-20, WS-10 will still be produced not just because J-20 currently still uses them, but also because there are still not enough WS-10 engines to support the existing fighters that use them.
 
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ougoah said:
There is no stock of WS-10 outside of the absolutely necessary spares and backups. WS-10 production isn't fast enough for J-16 and J-10. You are saying J-16 and presumably J-10's ongoing production is partly a result of needing to "use up" WS-10 when the opposite is true. If J-16 and J-10 production were to be totally stopped in favour of J-20, WS-10 will still be produced not just because J-20 currently still uses them, but also because there are still not enough WS-10 engines to support the existing fighters that use them.
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How do we know that WS-10 production is not sufficient given the current demand? It would be extremely surprising if Shenyang did not expand the production line in advance knowing that the J-10 and J-20 were going to be switching over to Taihangs. I find it difficult to believe the bottleneck is in the engine production rather than the production of the aircrafts themselves.
 
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ChineseToTheBone said:
One more potential reason for the mass production of J-16 fighters is the stock of WS-10 jet engines produced annually need to be consumed somehow and installing them on new heavy strike fighters produced at Shenyang is not a bad choice given the bottlenecks at Chengdu.
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I for one sure wont build a 80MUSD fighter aircraft just to consume extra engines worth 5MUSD a piece
 
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plawolf said:
Not even the USAF is going full stealth anymore, with its continued purchase of more F15s, not to mention all others. Yes, there will be a lot of hostile 5th gens, but there will also be a lot of legacy stuff flying around as well.
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We need to remember that the one weakness of 5th gens is weapons load. Even heavyweights like the J20 and F22 could only carry 6 full sized BVRAAMs. There are programmes to add more, but that comes at the cost of reduced size, with corresponding reduced performance from a lack of warhead (lower KP) and range.
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I would point out 2 obvious faults in your statement:
1, last time i checked, US is planning to purchase some 2500 F35 in total, yes there are some plan to keep gen4 in the force in the following decade but the majority of it is 5gen. For US armed forces, 5gen aircraft is NOT a day-1 weapon.
2, Compare to J16, I dont see why J20 has inferior capability in terms of carrying external loads when needed.
 
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