J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[Richard Santos]

I am amused by all this speculation about j-20’s gun and how I-20 must have a gun.

I think it is clear j-20 doesn’t have a gun, and I think it was a bold, but correct decision on the part of the PLAAF to dispense with the gun. The gun is an anachronism whose real value was exaggerated all out of proportion by a very particular set of circumstances the US encountered over Vietnam and the Israelis encountered in 1967, both half a century ago.

A high end super-cruising stealth fighter has no business attempting to get into any gun fight with either opposing high or low end fighter. It won’t be strafing ground targets either. Putting a gun on them betray an bad tendency to want to make a fancy fighter all things to all people, and betray a lack of clarity in operating doctrine.

 

[chickenhero3830]

now noticed this tweet, am guessing someone will post more about that presentation:

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La maquette du J-20 présentée par l'adjoint ingénieur en chef du programme dans une émission télévision. L'ingénieur en chef du Z-10 et l'adjoint ingénieur en chef du Y-20 étaient également venus parler de leur programme respectif.
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The J-20 model presented by the assistant chief engineer of the program in a television show. The Z-10 Chief Engineer and the Y-20's Chief Engineer Assistant also spoke about their respective programs.

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So what kind of missile is that?

 

[MastanKhan]

I am amused by all this speculation about j-20’s gun and how I-20 must have a gun.

I think it is clear j-20 doesn’t have a gun, and I think it was a bold, but correct decision on the part of the PLAAF to dispense with the gun. The gun is an anachronism whose real value was exaggerated all out of proportion by a very particular set of circumstances the US encountered over Vietnam and the Israelis encountered in 1967, both half a century ago.

A high end super-cruising stealth fighter has no business attempting to get into any gun fight with either opposing high or low end fighter. It won’t be strafing ground targets either. Putting a gun on them betray an bad tendency to want to make a fancy fighter all things to all people, and betray a lack of clarity in operating doctrine.

Hi,

Thank you for the post---at least someone else spoke out---.

 

[PiSigma]

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La maquette du J-20 présentée par l'adjoint ingénieur en chef du programme dans une émission télévision. L'ingénieur en chef du Z-10 et l'adjoint ingénieur en chef du Y-20 étaient également venus parler de leur programme respectif.
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The J-20 model presented by the assistant chief engineer of the program in a television show. The Z-10 Chief Engineer and the Y-20's Chief Engineer Assistant also spoke about their respective programs.

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Do I see 6 missiles in the main weapons bay!!? I thought it was supposed to be 4 and not more.

 

[ZombieRain]

Do I see 6 missiles in the main weapons bay!!? I thought it was supposed to be 4 and not more.

Future modification. A new kind of missile is in development.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Many a years ago I stated on this forum---whatever pakistan needs from china---it is available---. There were many a sarcastic comments---but whatever---.

This time the offer was made by the chinese president---and it was accepted.

 

[weig2000]

Hi,

Many a years ago I stated on this forum---whatever pakistan needs from china---it is available---. There were many a sarcastic comments---but whatever---.

This time the offer was made by the chinese president---and it was accepted.

I'm sorry, what specific offer that the Chinese president has made to Pakistan you're talking about? Are you suggesting J-20 since this is the J-2o thread?

 

[ougoah]

Here we go again. I guess China is begging PAF to battle test its J-20. China as a whole would be so lucky for PAF to fly Chinese second rate stealth fighter J-20. I mean Pakistan can easily get whatever 5th gen it wants or develop their own if they really wanted to. It can get whatever it wants from China and therefore before their AZM becomes a reality, they're gonna help themselves to some J-20s to show India it too has a new toy in its arsenal.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Too bad you can't tell what the engines are based on this resolution!

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[Quickie]

Too bad you can't tell what the engines are based on this resolution!

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It might be too early to draw any conclusion from the blurry pictures but the afterburner looks orangish and the engine nozzles dimension looks huge, both characteristics pointing to an engine type other than the Al-31Fx. Probably WS-10x?