J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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Blitzo

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No. Look up and look down means precisely that. it is not about long or short range. Look up tends to be better because there is les clutter to deal with. Look down has to filter out more noise because of back scattering effect.

The effective range of a radar's look down mode tends to be shorter than the effective range of a radar's look up mode.

How is the claim that Su-35's look up mode being only slightly better than J-16's look down mode inconsistent with the claim that Su-35's radar is weaker than China's present generation AESAs?
 

Brumby

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We can reflect on who on a forum is more knowledgeable when looking at the kind of sources they consider to be credible and the subsequent developments that had occurred afterwards that were confirmed.
That way we are able to measure people's judgement and logic for this very specific domain of military watching that requires a different set of skills to military watching for other nations.


So yeah, I am definitely going to claim that there are people on this forum who are more knowledgeable for PLA watching than some other people.
I am afraid you are entirely missing my point and you should chill out a bit and reread my post especially point # 2. It is not a problem relying on rumours that are credible source. When you interface with people outside your known community I am saying you need to present your position based on facts as you have collected through your sources. Taking a position based on the basis that your sources alone are more credible is not a tenable position to make an arqument.
 

latenlazy

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No. Please refer specifically to what is said in the link. It says that the look up range of the SI-35 is slightly more not equal.
Implication is the same. If they’re comparing the Su-35’s look up to the J-16’s look down the implication is that the J-16’s look up will be better. If the point of the comment was to say that the J-16’s look up is equivalent to the Su-35’s then could have just said so directly, and such a roundabout point wouldn’t be necessary.
 

Brumby

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The effective range of a radar's look down mode tends to be shorter than the effective range of a radar's look up mode.

How is the claim that Su-35's look up mode being only slightly better than J-16's look down mode inconsistent with the claim that Su-35's radar is weaker than China's present generation AESAs?
because equal and significantly weaker do not have the same meaning in the English language. You can't have both of them having the same meaning. That is why they are inconsistent.
 

latenlazy

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because equal and significantly weaker do not have the same meaning in the English language. You can't have both of them having the same meaning. That is why they are inconsistent.
Look up range being “marginally” better than look down isn’t something that was said in the post you’re citing. That’s something you asserted on your own, not from the source itself. The quantity of “marginal” making the J16’s lookup equivalent to the Su-35’s is conjectural on your part.
 

Brumby

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Implication is the same. If they’re comparing the Su-35’s look up to the J-16’s look down the implication is that the J-16’s look up will be better. If the point of the comment was to say that the J-16’s look up is equivalent to the Su-35’s then could have just said so directly, and such a roundabout point wouldn’t be necessary.
Precisely. Why the round about way of saying it is beyond me. The net effect is that they are equal in detection range.
 

latenlazy

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Precisely. Why the round about way of saying it is beyond me. The net effect is that they are equal in detection range.
Read my other reply to you. That the net effect leads to equivalence is conjectural on your part. You’re assuming that the margin of difference between the J-16’s look up and look down is equivalent to the margin of difference between the Su-35’s look up and the J-16’s look down. The original source makes no such claim.
 

Brumby

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Look up range being “marginally” better than look down isn’t something that was said in the post you’re citing. That’s something you asserted on your own, not from the source itself. The quantity of “marginal” making the J16’s lookup equivalent to the Su-35’s is conjectural on your part.
The look up and look down range being marginal is generally a well known fact in radar. My deduction is grounded in radar technology and not some imagination
 

ougoah

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Hahahaha what on earth this junk is still going?? All because of one guy who's clearly too thick or trolling? Come on guys. Hopefully @Deino can recognise the cause of all this and see through the nonsense.

To believe batch or mass production of AESA hasn't already been in place for a long time, will mean believing that the hundreds of J-16s and J-10Cs produced are flying with empty radomes. Choose whatever you feel most comfortable believing. I think someone here just can't accept that China not only mastered several airborne AESA types but have mastered the manufacturing many many years ago... since the beginning of J-10C and J-16 serial production at the very least. PLAAF is that much of a faker they will order all those J-10Cs and J-16s without capable radars, the most important avionics component of a modern fighter.
 
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