J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

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tidalwave

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What is the range of B-2? or any strategic bomber for the matter? What is the range of F-22 or J-20 or any fighter for the matter?

There is no way a bomber like B-2 can be escorted by F-22 simply because of the huge difference of operational range. It won't work for US, not China either. The bombers are on their own.

If somehow VLO of B-2 is compromised by new technology, they will have to either take their chance, or cease to function as intended. Fighter escorting tactical bomber was a WWII concept, it will never come back.
They will join up once entering Chinese airspace , not the entire trip
 

tidalwave

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What is the range of B-2? or any strategic bomber for the matter? What is the range of F-22 or J-20 or any fighter for the matter?

There is no way a bomber like B-2 can be escorted by F-22 simply because of the huge difference of operational range. It won't work for US, not China either. The bombers are on their own.

If somehow VLO of B-2 is compromised by new technology, they will have to either take their chance, or cease to function as intended. Fighter escorting tactical bomber was a WWII concept, it will never come back.
They will join up once entering Chinese airspace , not the entire trip
 

tidalwave

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China will know more or less how VLO of the B2 by having the H20 bomber , RAM will not work that well with the very long wave radar because the geometry of the materials and plane is simply too small against the very long wave. It will not able to absorb the very long wave. So, you can take RAM out of the equation.


Anyway, going back to j20.
People ask when will China reach military parity with US? Once China reaches parity, US will not able to take SCS not matter what.

My take is
1)j20 numbers above 100
2)j31 numbers above 100
3)at least 4 carrier strike groups. At least 1 nuclear powered
4)095 numbers above 8
6)H20 numbers above 8

All the above have to happened

J20 number is very important criteria in determine China reach US military parity.
 
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No such thing as broadband that works for all spectrum of frequency. Everything is relative.

There's low frequency and then there's very low frequency.

Very low frequency long wave radar will always detect stealth plane

VLF isn't the same as VHF, i.e, very high frequency. Chinese counterstealth works in the UHF and VHF bands, i.e, it's good enough to screw with the F-22 and F-35. But the B-2 is much more massive, with larger control surfaces, so it's harder for UHF / VHF counterstealth to trigger resonance on the B-2. And the lower the frequency you go, the larger and more imprecise your radar gets. So it's possible for Chinese counterstealth to beat the B-2, but not with their standard counterstealth equipment seen to date (HF / LF bands would be needed).
 

Hyperwarp

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, the WS-10 variant being trialed on the J-20 is basically a WS-10B modified for the J-20's engine bay. The engine's various gearboxes and protrusions were pushed out to take up the excess volume. Note the WS-10B was originally made for the J-10.

Gongke also never explicitly confirmed the WS-10C designation, the thread name was just framed that way.

Is this a modified version of the WS-10B2 on the J-10B TVC?
 

Hyperwarp

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OT: (Regarding the B-2 escorts)

It is unlikely that the B-2 or the future B-21 will be escorted by F-22s. However, they will most likely be escorted by some dedicated jammer like the EA-18G Growler or perhaps a hypothetical enlarged F-35 version of the Growler. B-2/B-21 need a small window to launch their long-range cruise missiles at the DF-21D and DF-26 targets and then turn tails and run for safety. If the B-2/B-21 go all alone without stand-off jamming, their chance of being detected early would only grow. There is also the USN underwater fleet. Their SSN and SSGN can launch cruise missiles without risking the surface fleet.

So if the USAF and USN want to minimize loses, their best bet is to fire loads of cruise missiles from a distance and the safest platforms would be B-2/B-21 with a lot of jamming and SSN/SSGN.

To counter that, you can bet China will continuously increase the ranges of AAMs, SAMs, ASCM/ASBM, build more SSK and SSN and off-course improve aerial and underwater surveillance systems.
 

antiterror13

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China will know more or less how VLO of the B2 by having the H20 bomber , RAM will not work that well with the very long wave radar because the geometry of the materials and plane is simply too small against the very long wave. It will not able to absorb the very long wave. So, you can take RAM out of the equation.


Anyway, going back to j20.
People ask when will China reach military parity with US? Once China reaches parity, US will not able to take SCS not matter what.

My take is
1)j20 numbers above 100
2)j31 numbers above 100
3)at least 4 carrier strike groups. At least 1 nuclear powered
4)095 numbers above 8
6)H20 numbers above 8

All the above have to happened

J20 number is very important criteria in determine China reach US military parity.

I don't think China need to reach parity with the US ... too expensive and unnecessary, as long as China can hit and punch back hard enough .. thats enough in my opinion .... I'd say to reach 60% of US military force is more than enough
 

Deino

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Guys ... you are again in tactics, numbers of J-31 and fleets... stay on topic please.
 

Tirdent

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Its the first time that i have read about Justin Bronk. Why do you say that?

He's a member of the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank. To non-specialized press like Business Insider this appears to qualify him as an expert on Chinese and Russian military subjects, but if you have even a modicum of knowledge on these topics yourself his analysis is decidedly unimpressive. For all I know he does better research on other matters, but I can recall several examples where he has committed ridiculous leaps of logic and failed to verify easily fact-checked statements.

YMMV, but if something he claims seems dubious to you a healthy dose of skepticism is well justified - he has a demonstrable record of being sloppy.
 

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