J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[SinoSoldier]

From a few days ago, but interesting nonetheless: PB19980515 talks about the J-20's internal & external weapons loads...

如果是非隐身状态构型 可以挂12枚。。。

如果用复合挂架 可以到16枚。。。。

"If it is a non-stealth configuration, it can carry 12 missiles...
If you use composite (I think he is referring to multiple ejector racks) pylons, it can carry 16 missile"
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(Talking about the PL-20)

Q: 也就是蛋翼折叠，蛋径不变吗

PB19980515: 弹径有变化。。。。

Q: "Assuming that the missile has folding strakes, will there be a change to its diameter?"
PB19980515: "The diameter has been changed."
(Photo posted by PB19980515)

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(Talking about the PL-20 specifically)

Q: 新中距弹的性能可以跟AIM-120D相比吗？

PB19980515: 具体数据我也不知道，总体设计指标是在尽可能的保持大射程的基础上（双脉冲是确定了 药柱应该也是新的） 增强适装性。。。。

Q: "Can the new MRAAM's performance be compared to that of the AIM-120D?"
PB19980515: "I don't know about the specific data, but the design focus was to keep its range as large as possible (it uses a double-pulse motor, which means that it uses new propellant as well) as well as to enhance its fit."
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The rest of his posts pretty much corroborate previous rumors that the J-20 can fit four PL-15 missiles or six of the new medium-range AAMs (PL-20 according to other sources) within its internal bays. He also mentions that the length will not change much (from PL-15 to PL-20 presumably) but the missile will adopt new rudders & new missile body.

 

[SinoSoldier]

PB19980515 also states that the new missile has undergone wind tunnel tests.

Q: 新空空弹的研制进度能透露些么。要是赶不上海四代那海四代4枚的携弹量相当蛋疼啊

PB19980515: 进度知道的不是太多，实弹上机测试没有 不敢确定。风洞模拟 几年前到是做过很多了。

Q: "Can [you] reveal to us the progress of the new air-to-air missile? (The rest is gibberish and I cannot translate)"
PB19980515: "I don't know too much about its progress, nor do I know whether it has been tested or not. Wind tunnel tests have been done numerous times several years ago."

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[Air Force Brat]

Deino does such a great job with PLAAF inventory tracking that I was surprised that the Zhuhai invitation wasn't just a ploy to invite him over for tea.

I was a little concerned about that myself Siege, LOL? Actually I'm surprised they didn't invite him for a factory tour at Chengdu??

 

[Deleted member 13312]

Folks, have we discussed this supposed cockpit image before? If this were real, J-20 could indeed carry up to eight missiles internally (LED screen to the right with # 8).

Most likely it is a fake, but good representation of what the J-20's potential load out could be.

 

[asif iqbal]

J20 showed that although its a 5th generation stealth aircraft it can still pull like a 4th generation aircraft

meaning it can still engage in a dog fight

F35 has been plagued with dog fight rumours, many reports say that it struggles against F16 and F15 in WVR

basically if F35 has to dog fight pilot has done something wrong

J20 seems to excel in both areas even although its 5th generation, good move

But J10B TVC showed how bad ass it really is

 

[taxiya]

Folks, have we discussed this supposed cockpit image before? If this were real, J-20 could indeed carry up to eight missiles internally (LED screen to the right with # 8).

Unfortunately it is a fake/PSed photo from a year ago.

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, the photo is somewhere in the middle of the series.

 

[siegecrossbow]

J20 showed that although its a 5th generation stealth aircraft it can still pull like a 4th generation aircraft

meaning it can still engage in a dog fight

F35 has been plagued with dog fight rumours, many reports say that it struggles against F16 and F15 in WVR

basically if F35 has to dog fight pilot has done something wrong

J20 seems to excel in both areas even although its 5th generation, good move

But J10B TVC showed how bad ass it really is

F-35 is also a good dogfighter at least in terms of aerodynamics if you watch its performance during the Paris Airshow. It could even perform post-stall maneuvers like the falling leaf. The main problem with the F-35 is that it couldn't fire the AIM-9X from its internal weapons bay until lock after launch capability has been integrated. In the mean time it will need to carry the IR missiles on external pylons, which will increase its RCS.

 

[latenlazy]

F-35 is also a good dogfighter at least in terms of aerodynamics if you watch its performance during the Paris Airshow. It could even perform post-stall maneuvers like the falling leaf. The main problem with the F-35 is that it couldn't fire the AIM-9X from its internal weapons bay until lock after launch capability has been integrated. In the mean time it will need to carry the IR missiles on external pylons, which will increase its RCS.

Depends on the flight regime.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Depends on the flight regime.

F-35 is optimized for the subsonic regime, which is where most of dogfights happen.

 

[latenlazy]

F-35 is optimized for the subsonic regime, which is where most of dogfights happen.

“Subsonic” isn’t one regime (the specific range of flight speeds and altitudes do matter), and dog fights don’t happen in just one regime. Which regime a dog fight happens in depends a lot on the approach speed, altitude, and tactics.